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From: Nam Nguyen on 30 Jul 2010 21:31 MoeBlee wrote: > Oh, lordy lordy, I SWORE to you...please, God in heaven, make me > strong to resist temptation... > > Your mortal servant, It's kind of hard for us, mortal beings, to know exactly how God would help one but I'd venture to guess that, in the context of making mathematical arguments, HE'd advise something like: Be honest, straight forward, to the points, logical, conforming to the 4 Principles (Consistency, Compatibility, Symmetry, and Humility). But most important of all, be kind in wordings and not attacking thy opponents just because thou are about to loose thy arguments. Hope that would help you somehow. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Normally, we do not so much look at things as overlook them. Zen Quotes by Alan Watt -----------------------------------------------------------
From: Marshall on 30 Jul 2010 21:39 On Jul 30, 6:31 pm, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > MoeBlee wrote: > > Oh, lordy lordy, I SWORE to you...please, God in heaven, make me > > strong to resist temptation... > > > Your mortal servant, > > It's kind of hard for us, mortal beings, to know exactly how God would > help one but I'd venture to guess that, in the context of making mathematical > arguments, HE'd advise something like: > > Be honest, straight forward, to the points, logical, conforming to the 4 > Principles (Consistency, Compatibility, Symmetry, and Humility). But most > important of all, be kind in wordings and not attacking thy opponents just > because thou are about to loose thy arguments. > > Hope that would help you somehow. Since you pretty much don't do any of those things, your advice comes across as insincere. Also, I think it's funny how you have those "Four Principles" you made up coming out of the mouth of God. Marshall
From: Nam Nguyen on 30 Jul 2010 21:52 Marshall wrote: > On Jul 30, 6:31 pm, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: >> MoeBlee wrote: >>> Oh, lordy lordy, I SWORE to you...please, God in heaven, make me >>> strong to resist temptation... >>> Your mortal servant, >> It's kind of hard for us, mortal beings, to know exactly how God would >> help one but I'd venture to guess that, in the context of making mathematical >> arguments, HE'd advise something like: >> >> Be honest, straight forward, to the points, logical, conforming to the 4 >> Principles (Consistency, Compatibility, Symmetry, and Humility). But most >> important of all, be kind in wordings and not attacking thy opponents just >> because thou are about to loose thy arguments. >> >> Hope that would help you somehow. > > Since you pretty much don't do any of those things, As I advised MoeBlee about "straight forward, to the points", what "those things" did you _actually know_ that I don't know? > your advice comes across as insincere. You haven't given credible reasons why! > > Also, I think it's funny how you have those "Four Principles" > you made up coming out of the mouth of God. Isn't God supposed to be with us even in mathematical reasoning too? In any rate, I was very straight forward in saying I couldn't know how HE'd think, advise. But HE'd give us the freedom to venture out and guess what HE might think, right? Why are you surprised about all that? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Normally, we do not so much look at things as overlook them. Zen Quotes by Alan Watt -----------------------------------------------------------
From: Marshall on 30 Jul 2010 22:22 On Jul 30, 6:52 pm, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > Marshall wrote: > > On Jul 30, 6:31 pm, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > >> MoeBlee wrote: > >>> Oh, lordy lordy, I SWORE to you...please, God in heaven, make me > >>> strong to resist temptation... > >>> Your mortal servant, > >> It's kind of hard for us, mortal beings, to know exactly how God would > >> help one but I'd venture to guess that, in the context of making mathematical > >> arguments, HE'd advise something like: > > >> Be honest, straight forward, to the points, logical, conforming to the 4 > >> Principles (Consistency, Compatibility, Symmetry, and Humility). But most > >> important of all, be kind in wordings and not attacking thy opponents just > >> because thou are about to loose thy arguments. > > >> Hope that would help you somehow. > > > Since you pretty much don't do any of those things, > > As I advised MoeBlee about "straight forward, to the points", > what "those things" did you _actually know_ that I don't know? I didn't say anything about you not knowing anything. > > your advice comes across as insincere. > > You haven't given credible reasons why! Yes I have. You just can't read. Hint: look earlier in the sentence. > > Also, I think it's funny how you have those "Four Principles" > > you made up coming out of the mouth of God. > > Isn't God supposed to be with us even in mathematical reasoning too? > In any rate, I was very straight forward in saying I couldn't know > how HE'd think, advise. But HE'd give us the freedom to venture out > and guess what HE might think, right? > > Why are you surprised about all that? I wasn't surprised. In fact, I thought you were acting completely in character: insincere, arrogant, clueless, smug, etc. etc. Marshall
From: Daryl McCullough on 30 Jul 2010 22:29
Nam Nguyen says... > >Daryl McCullough wrote: >> Nam Nguyen says... >> >>> If you clarified so. Now then, as I asked before, if e.g. I tell you I have >>> a T that has a disprovable formula in it, would you be able to tell if that >>> T is consistent, or not? >> >> No, because *every* theory (inconsistent or not) has disprovable formulas >> in it. > >Right. So, would you see why it's odd, not making a lot of sense, >not to restrict the definition only to the case of consistent theories? No, I don't see that at all. I can see why you would not want to spend a lot of time on inconsistent theories---they aren't very interesting, after all, and they're not good for anything much. But it doesn't make any sense to me to make definitions so that they don't apply to inconsistent theories. What is the point of that? -- Daryl McCullough Ithaca, NY |