Infinite worlds, Quantum indeterminacy, and The endlessly generative
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From: Mark Earnest on 11 Mar 2010 16:00 "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message news:bFXln.425957$5n1.299865(a)newsfe01.ams2... > Mark Earnest wrote: >> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >> news:RDBln.268516$kS2.192916(a)newsfe17.ams2... >>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>> news:jwgln.333085$Dy7.4270(a)newsfe26.ams2... >>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:rXWkn.317746$Dy7.244291(a)newsfe26.ams2... >>>>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>>>> "Virgil" <Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:Virgil-B1269E.02044107032010(a)bignews.usenetmonster.com... >>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>> <P7GdnQ4vnftLyg7WnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d(a)posted.internetamerica>, >>>>>>>>> "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "Virgil" <Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:Virgil-F428B4.00322907032010(a)bignews.usenetmonster.com... >>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>> <74ce591f-64e0-40aa-b09c-98bc23a0a337(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>> BURT <macromitch(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> God created Himself. There is no universe without God. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your God, even if it exists, does not say so. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And HOW do you know what something that doesn't exist says? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You misread me. I made no mention of what your probably >>>>>>>>> nonexistent god says, but only of what it does not say. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In order to know what it does not say, you would have to also >>>>>>>> know what it does. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nope. There is no requirement to know what non-existent things >>>>>>> say, other than they say nothing. >>>>>> But you can't know what they don't say without first knowing what >>>>>> they do say. >>>>> >>>>> Non-existent things say nothing at all. >>>>> Unless you know of a non-existent thing that speaks....but that >>>>> would make it existent. >>>> >>>> You're non existent, and yet you speak. >>> >>> Do you often commuinicate with non-existent beings? >> >> All the time. Because that is the only type of being there is. Or, >> should I say, almost is. >> >>> The voices in your head? Your supposed god character? >>> Please seek help urgently. >> >> I get my help from all over the world >> Do you? >> >>> >>>> You know you are non existent because you >>>> have not yet become...yourself. >>> >>> Was that supposed to make sense? >> >> Before you can become what you were meant to be...how could you >> possibly be? >> > > More nonsensical mindfarts. > >> You can't tell, because you don't exist. > > <humouring the loonie from a safe distance> > OK, Mark. I don't exist. > Now please go and play in the traffic. Totally incapable of saying anything original. The chains you carry.
From: Smiler on 11 Mar 2010 20:22 Mark Earnest wrote: > "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message > news:bFXln.425957$5n1.299865(a)newsfe01.ams2... >> Mark Earnest wrote: >>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>> news:RDBln.268516$kS2.192916(a)newsfe17.ams2... >>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:jwgln.333085$Dy7.4270(a)newsfe26.ams2... >>>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:rXWkn.317746$Dy7.244291(a)newsfe26.ams2... >>>>>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Virgil" <Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:Virgil-B1269E.02044107032010(a)bignews.usenetmonster.com... >>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>> <P7GdnQ4vnftLyg7WnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d(a)posted.internetamerica>, >>>>>>>>>> "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> "Virgil" <Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:Virgil-F428B4.00322907032010(a)bignews.usenetmonster.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>> <74ce591f-64e0-40aa-b09c-98bc23a0a337(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>> BURT <macromitch(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> God created Himself. There is no universe without God. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Your God, even if it exists, does not say so. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And HOW do you know what something that doesn't exist says? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You misread me. I made no mention of what your probably >>>>>>>>>> nonexistent god says, but only of what it does not say. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In order to know what it does not say, you would have to also >>>>>>>>> know what it does. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nope. There is no requirement to know what non-existent things >>>>>>>> say, other than they say nothing. >>>>>>> But you can't know what they don't say without first knowing >>>>>>> what they do say. >>>>>> >>>>>> Non-existent things say nothing at all. >>>>>> Unless you know of a non-existent thing that speaks....but that >>>>>> would make it existent. >>>>> >>>>> You're non existent, and yet you speak. >>>> >>>> Do you often commuinicate with non-existent beings? >>> >>> All the time. Because that is the only type of being there is. Or, >>> should I say, almost is. >>> >>>> The voices in your head? Your supposed god character? >>>> Please seek help urgently. >>> >>> I get my help from all over the world >>> Do you? >>> >>>> >>>>> You know you are non existent because you >>>>> have not yet become...yourself. >>>> >>>> Was that supposed to make sense? >>> >>> Before you can become what you were meant to be...how could you >>> possibly be? >>> >> >> More nonsensical mindfarts. >> >>> You can't tell, because you don't exist. >> >> <humouring the loonie from a safe distance> >> OK, Mark. I don't exist. >> Now please go and play in the traffic. > > Totally incapable of saying anything original. You're totally incapable of saying anything sensible. > The chains you carry. Nope. No chains bind me to an invisible, unevidenced, superbeing that cannot be shown to exist. I'm thankfully as free from that pathetic mind virus as I was the day I was born. The indoctrination didn't work on me. -- Smiler The godless one a.a.# 2279 All gods are bespoke. They're all made to perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
From: Mark Earnest on 12 Mar 2010 20:15 "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message news:CHgmn.271658$kR2.143732(a)newsfe05.ams2... > Mark Earnest wrote: >> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >> news:bFXln.425957$5n1.299865(a)newsfe01.ams2... >>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>> news:RDBln.268516$kS2.192916(a)newsfe17.ams2... >>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:jwgln.333085$Dy7.4270(a)newsfe26.ams2... >>>>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:rXWkn.317746$Dy7.244291(a)newsfe26.ams2... >>>>>>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "Virgil" <Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:Virgil-B1269E.02044107032010(a)bignews.usenetmonster.com... >>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>> <P7GdnQ4vnftLyg7WnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d(a)posted.internetamerica>, >>>>>>>>>>> "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "Virgil" <Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:Virgil-F428B4.00322907032010(a)bignews.usenetmonster.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>> <74ce591f-64e0-40aa-b09c-98bc23a0a337(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> BURT <macromitch(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God created Himself. There is no universe without God. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your God, even if it exists, does not say so. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And HOW do you know what something that doesn't exist says? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You misread me. I made no mention of what your probably >>>>>>>>>>> nonexistent god says, but only of what it does not say. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In order to know what it does not say, you would have to also >>>>>>>>>> know what it does. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nope. There is no requirement to know what non-existent things >>>>>>>>> say, other than they say nothing. >>>>>>>> But you can't know what they don't say without first knowing >>>>>>>> what they do say. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Non-existent things say nothing at all. >>>>>>> Unless you know of a non-existent thing that speaks....but that >>>>>>> would make it existent. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're non existent, and yet you speak. >>>>> >>>>> Do you often commuinicate with non-existent beings? >>>> >>>> All the time. Because that is the only type of being there is. Or, >>>> should I say, almost is. >>>> >>>>> The voices in your head? Your supposed god character? >>>>> Please seek help urgently. >>>> >>>> I get my help from all over the world >>>> Do you? >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> You know you are non existent because you >>>>>> have not yet become...yourself. >>>>> >>>>> Was that supposed to make sense? >>>> >>>> Before you can become what you were meant to be...how could you >>>> possibly be? >>>> >>> >>> More nonsensical mindfarts. >>> >>>> You can't tell, because you don't exist. >>> >>> <humouring the loonie from a safe distance> >>> OK, Mark. I don't exist. >>> Now please go and play in the traffic. >> >> Totally incapable of saying anything original. > > You're totally incapable of saying anything sensible. > >> The chains you carry. > > Nope. No chains bind me to an invisible, unevidenced, superbeing that > cannot be shown to exist. > I'm thankfully as free from that pathetic mind virus as I was the day I > was born. > The indoctrination didn't work on me. Too bad that in your mind you cannot seperate God from what people say about him.
From: Smiler on 12 Mar 2010 20:59 Mark Earnest wrote: > "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message > news:CHgmn.271658$kR2.143732(a)newsfe05.ams2... >> Mark Earnest wrote: >>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>> news:bFXln.425957$5n1.299865(a)newsfe01.ams2... >>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:RDBln.268516$kS2.192916(a)newsfe17.ams2... >>>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:jwgln.333085$Dy7.4270(a)newsfe26.ams2... >>>>>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)joe.king.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:rXWkn.317746$Dy7.244291(a)newsfe26.ams2... >>>>>>>>>> Mark Earnest wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> "Virgil" <Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:Virgil-B1269E.02044107032010(a)bignews.usenetmonster.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>> <P7GdnQ4vnftLyg7WnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d(a)posted.internetamerica>, >>>>>>>>>>>> "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Virgil" <Virgil(a)home.esc> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Virgil-F428B4.00322907032010(a)bignews.usenetmonster.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <74ce591f-64e0-40aa-b09c-98bc23a0a337(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BURT <macromitch(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God created Himself. There is no universe without God. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your God, even if it exists, does not say so. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And HOW do you know what something that doesn't exist >>>>>>>>>>>>> says? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You misread me. I made no mention of what your probably >>>>>>>>>>>> nonexistent god says, but only of what it does not say. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In order to know what it does not say, you would have to >>>>>>>>>>> also know what it does. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nope. There is no requirement to know what non-existent >>>>>>>>>> things say, other than they say nothing. >>>>>>>>> But you can't know what they don't say without first knowing >>>>>>>>> what they do say. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Non-existent things say nothing at all. >>>>>>>> Unless you know of a non-existent thing that speaks....but that >>>>>>>> would make it existent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You're non existent, and yet you speak. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you often commuinicate with non-existent beings? >>>>> >>>>> All the time. Because that is the only type of being there is. Or, >>>>> should I say, almost is. >>>>> >>>>>> The voices in your head? Your supposed god character? >>>>>> Please seek help urgently. >>>>> >>>>> I get my help from all over the world >>>>> Do you? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> You know you are non existent because you >>>>>>> have not yet become...yourself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Was that supposed to make sense? >>>>> >>>>> Before you can become what you were meant to be...how could you >>>>> possibly be? >>>>> >>>> >>>> More nonsensical mindfarts. >>>> >>>>> You can't tell, because you don't exist. >>>> >>>> <humouring the loonie from a safe distance> >>>> OK, Mark. I don't exist. >>>> Now please go and play in the traffic. >>> >>> Totally incapable of saying anything original. >> >> You're totally incapable of saying anything sensible. >> >>> The chains you carry. >> >> Nope. No chains bind me to an invisible, unevidenced, superbeing that >> cannot be shown to exist. >> I'm thankfully as free from that pathetic mind virus as I was the >> day I was born. >> The indoctrination didn't work on me. > > Too bad that in your mind you cannot seperate God from what people > say about him. What god? You've yet to show that such a thing exists. Until you do, all I have to go on is what you say about your delusions of this supposed god character. -- Smiler The godless one a.a.# 2279 All gods are bespoke. They're all made to perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
From: Free Lunch on 12 Mar 2010 21:56
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:15:38 -0600, "Mark Earnest" <gmearnest(a)yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism: .... >Too bad that in your mind you cannot seperate God from what people >say about him. Once I ignore everything that people have said about all the gods that they could not substantiate, I have nothing left. The only defensible hypothesis today is that there are no gods. |