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From: Michel Talon on 11 May 2010 15:29
Indi <indi(a)satcidananda.16x108.merseine.nu> wrote:
>
> I hear PC-BSD fills that niche.
>

PC-BSD solves another problem, the dependency problem, by delivering
widely used programs with all their dependencies. This mean you
can install, say the last version of firefox without touching in any way
to the common libraries used by firefox and another program, say gimp.
Hence when you upgrade firefox, you don't ruin gimp and conversely.
This is a very useful feature, one of the reasons why people like
Windows or Mac OS is precisely that they work basically like that,
you install firefox by clicking on some installer, it comes with all its
libraries so you can install or deinstall it witout any interference
with the rest of the system. The price you pay for that is:
- each "shared" library will appear in multiple copies on the disk,
which wastes space on disk. I think this is an insignificant problem
nowadays, due to the size of present disks.
- worse, you have several copies of the library in memory, since they
are no more shared. This wastes memory, which is not in infinite
availability.
- finally security zealots think this is bad because you cannot plug a
security hole by just changing one shared library.
In spite of these problems, some important FreeBSD developers are
pushing for the adoption of this system in FreeBSD, because they think
the advantages are far more important than the problems. Personnally i
have no opinion on this question, but, as you may have noticed i am
convinced that source based systems are now proven unmanageable (i mean
for the "standard" desktop which implies more than 1000 installed ports
in a set of more than 20000 available ports, i don't pretend it is not
manageable for the standard server machine with 100 installed ports).



--

Michel TALON

From: Michel Talon on 11 May 2010 15:37
Patrick Scheible <kkt(a)zipcon.net> wrote:
> > I hear PC-BSD fills that niche.
>
> To some extent. I'm using PCBSD 7.1.1. It's okay... except Firefox
> from the PBI has mysterious 2-minute pauses every so often. And
> there's a fair amount of applications that I want that don't have
> PBIs. So for them, it's no better than plain FreeBSD.
>
> PCBSD 8.0 is released, but x.0 releases are generally bad luck so I
> haven't upgraded. I've thought about changing to Ubuntu or something
> else, but I'm not really sure if it would be better or it just has
> better advocacy. This is for a desktop PC, not a laptop.

Sincerely, for a desktop PC i think FreeBSD usually works OK, the
hardware problems are basically far less severe than for laptops. The
problems will come with software upgrades. The best solution, i think,
is to erase /usr/local from time to time and reinstall everything when
a new release appears. At least at release time there has been some
consistency checking. Unfortunately you may discover that some software
you like did not compile at release time so is absent from the DVD.
Then you have to lose time tracking an upgrade of the port, etc.

>
> -- Patrick
>

--

Michel TALON

From: Indi on 11 May 2010 16:07
On 2010-05-11, Michel Talon <talon(a)lpthe.jussieu.fr> wrote:
>
> i am convinced that source based systems are now proven unmanageable
> (i mean for the "standard" desktop which implies more than 1000
> (installed ports in a set of more than 20000 available ports, i don't
> pretend it is not manageable for the standard server machine with 100
> installed ports).
>

As I've mentioned before, I manage it just fine -- though I don't use
gnome or kde. In fact just yesterday I issued "portupgrade -av" and
upgraded all my ports (and upgraded a few things like slrn which are
built from source obtained elsewhere).
As you can see, I am not exactly "roughing it" on this machine:

[15:57]:$ ls /var/db/pkg
ORBit2-2.14.17
Terminal-0.2.12_4
aalib-1.4.r5_4
apache-ant-1.7.1
appres-1.0.2
apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.2.1.3.9_1
aspell-0.60.6_2
atk-1.28.0
aumix-2.8_6
autoconf-2.13.000227_6
autoconf-2.62
autoconf-wrapper-20071109
automake-1.10.1
automake-1.4.6_5
automake-1.9.6_3
automake-wrapper-20071109
avahi-app-0.6.25_2
bash-4.0.35
bash-completion-20060301_3
bdftopcf-1.0.2
bigreqsproto-1.1.0
binutils-2.20.1_1
bison-2.4.1,1
bitmap-1.0.4
bitstream-vera-1.10_4
boost-jam-1.41.0
boost-libs-1.41.0_1
ca_root_nss-3.12.4
cairo-1.8.8_1,1
ranoia-3.9.8_8
cdrtools-2.01_8
cmake-2.8.0_3
color-theme.el-emacs-6.6.0_4
compat7x-i386-7.2.702000.200906.1
compositeproto-0.4.1
consolekit-0.3.0_8
coreutils-7.5
cups-client-1.4.3
curl-7.20.0
cyrus-sasl-2.1.23
damageproto-1.2.0
db41-4.1.25_4
db42-4.2.52_5
dbus-1.2.16_1
dbus-glib-0.84
desktop-file-utils-0.15_1
diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_9
dmenu-4.0
dmidecode-2.10
dmxproto-2.3
docbook-1.4
docbook-4.1_4
docbook-4.2
docbook-4.3
docbook-4.4_2
docbook-4.5_2
docbook-5.0_1
docbook-sk-4.1.2_4
docbook-xml-4.2_1
docbook-xml-4.3
docbook-xml-4.4_1
docbook-xml-4.5
docbook-xsl-1.75.2
dri-7.4.4,2
dri2proto-2.2
eclipse-3.4.2_3
elinks-0.11.7
emacs-nox11-23.1_6,1
encodings-1.0.3,1
esmtp-1.0
esound-0.2.41
expat-2.0.1_1
feh-1.3.4_8
fixesproto-4.1.1
flex-2.5.35_3
font-adobe-100dpi-1.0.1
font-adobe-75dpi-1.0.1
font-adobe-utopia-100dpi-1.0.2
font-adobe-utopia-75dpi-1.0.2
font-adobe-utopia-type1-1.0.2
font-alias-1.0.2
font-arabic-misc-1.0.1
font-bh-100dpi-1.0.1
font-bh-75dpi-1.0.1
font-bh-lucidatypewriter-100dpi-1.0.1
font-bh-lucidatypewriter-75dpi-1.0.1
font-bh-ttf-1.0.1
font-bh-type1-1.0.1
font-bitstream-100dpi-1.0.1
font-bitstream-75dpi-1.0.1
font-bitstream-type1-1.0.1
font-cronyx-cyrillic-1.0.1
font-cursor-misc-1.0.1
font-daewoo-misc-1.0.1
font-dec-misc-1.0.1
font-ibm-type1-1.0.1
font-isas-misc-1.0.1
font-jis-misc-1.0.1
font-micro-misc-1.0.1
font-misc-cyrillic-1.0.1
font-misc-ethiopic-1.0.1
font-misc-meltho-1.0.1
font-misc-misc-1.1.0
font-mutt-misc-1.0.1
font-schumacher-misc-1.1.0
font-screen-cyrillic-1.0.2
font-sony-misc-1.0.1
font-sun-misc-1.0.1
font-util-1.0.2
font-winitzki-cyrillic-1.0.1
font-xfree86-type1-1.0.2
fontcacheproto-0.1.3
fontconfig-2.8.0,1
fontsproto-2.1.0
freetype2-2.3.11
fribidi-0.19.2_1
gamin-0.1.10_3
gawk-3.1.7
gccmakedep-1.0.2
gconf2-2.26.2_1
gd-2.0.35_7,1
gdbm-1.8.3_3
getopt-1.1.4_1
gettext-0.17_1
giblib-1.2.4_9
gio-fam-backend-2.22.4
glib-1.2.10_13
glib-2.22.4
glproto-1.4.11
gmake-3.81_3
gmp-5.0.1
gmrun-0.9.2_6
gnome-doc-utils-0.16.1_1
gnome-icon-theme-2.26.0_2
gnome-keyring-2.26.3_1
gnome-mime-data-2.18.0_3
gnome-mount-0.8_3
gnome-vfs-2.24.1_1
gnome_subr-1.0
gnomehier-2.3_12
gnutls-2.8.6
gobject-introspection-0.6.7
gpac-libgpac-0.4.5_4,1
gperf-3.0.3
gstreamer-0.10.29
gstreamer-plugins-0.10.29,3
gtar-1.23
gthumb-2.10.11_1
gtk-1.2.10_21
gtk-2.16.6
gtk-engines2-2.18.5_2
gvfs-1.2.3_2
hal-0.5.11_26
help2man-1.38.2
hicolor-icon-theme-0.12
iceauth-1.0.3
icu-3.8.1_3
imake-1.0.3,1
imlib2-1.4.1.000_9,2
inputproto-2.0
intltool-0.40.6
iso8879-1986_2
jasper-1.900.1_9
javavmwrapper-2.3.4
jbigkit-1.6
jed-0.99.18_3
jpeg-8_2
kbproto-1.0.4
ladspa-1.13
lcms-1.19_1,1
libFS-1.0.2
libGL-7.4.4
libGLU-7.4.4
libICE-1.0.6,1
libIDL-0.8.13
libSM-1.1.1,1
libX11-1.3.3,1
libXScrnSaver-1.2.0
libXTrap-1.0.0
libXau-1.0.5
libXaw-1.0.7,1
libXcomposite-0.4.1,1
libXcursor-1.1.10
libXdamage-1.1.2
libXdmcp-1.0.3
libXevie-1.0.2
libXext-1.1.1,1
libXfixes-4.0.4
libXfont-1.4.0,1
libXfontcache-1.0.5
libXft-2.1.14
libXi-1.3,1
libXinerama-1.1,1
libXmu-1.0.5,1
libXp-1.0.0,1
libXpm-3.5.7
libXrandr-1.3.0
libXrender-0.9.5
libXres-1.0.4
libXt-1.0.7
libXtst-1.1.0
libXv-1.0.5,1
libXvMC-1.0.5
libXxf86dga-1.1.1
libXxf86misc-1.0.2
libXxf86vm-1.1.0
libamrnb-7.0.0.2,1
libamrwb-7.0.0.3
libart_lgpl-2.3.20,1
libaudiofile-0.2.6_1
libbonobo-2.24.1
libbonoboui-2.24.1_1
libcaca-0.99.b17_2
libcddb-1.3.1
libcdio-0.82_1
libcheck-0.9.8
libcroco-0.6.2
libdaemon-0.12
libdca-0.0.5
libdmx-1.1.0
libdrm-2.4.12
libdv-1.0.0_2
libesmtp-1.0.4_1,1
libexecinfo-1.1_3
libexif-0.6.18
libexo-0.3.101_1
libffi-3.0.9
libfontenc-1.0.5
libgcrypt-1.4.5
libglade2-2.6.4_1
libgnome-2.26.0_1
libgnomecanvas-2.26.0_1
libgnomeprint-2.18.6
libgnomeprintui-2.18.4_1
libgnomeui-2.24.1_1
libgpg-error-1.7
libgphoto2-2.4.7
libgsf-1.14.17_1
libiconv-1.13.1_1
libid3tag-0.15.1b
libixp-0.5
libltdl-2.2.6b
libmad-0.15.1b_2
libmng-1.0.10_2
libmpcdec-1.2.6
libnotify-0.4.5_1
libogg-1.1.4,4
liboil-0.3.17
liboldX-1.0.1
libotf-0.9.11
libpciaccess-0.11.0
libproxy-0.2.3
libpthread-stubs-0.3_3
librsvg2-2.26.0_4
libsigc++-2.2.4.2
libslang2-2.2.2_1
libsoup-2.26.3_2
libtasn1-2.6
libtheora-1.1.1_1
libtool-2.2.6b
libtorrent-0.12.6_1
libungif-4.1.4_5
libutempter-1.1.5_1
libvolume_id-0.81.1
libvorbis-1.2.3_1,3
libwww-5.4.0_4
libxcb-1.5
libxfce4util-4.6.1
libxkbfile-1.0.6
libxkbui-1.0.2_1
libxml2-2.7.6_2
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linux-f10-aspell-0.60.6
linux-f10-atk-1.24.0
linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_1
linux-f10-curl-7.19.6
linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22
linux-f10-dbus-glib-0.76
linux-f10-dbus-libs-1.2.4
linux-f10-expat-2.0.1
linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r45
linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0
linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7
linux-f10-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5
linux-f10-jpeg-6b
linux-f10-libssh2-0.18
linux-f10-nas-libs-1.9.1
linux-f10-nspr-4.7.6
linux-f10-nss-3.12.2.0
linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1
linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g
linux-f10-pango-1.22.3_1
linux-f10-png-1.2.37_1
linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1
linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2
linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1
linux-firefox-devel-3.5.9
linux-mplayerplug-in-3.55_2
linux-opera-10.10_1
linux_base-f10-10_2
luit-1.0.5
lynx-2.8.7.1,1
m17n-db-1.6.1
m17n-lib-1.6.1
m4-1.4.14,1
makedepend-1.0.2,1
mc-light-4.1.40.p9_7
mime-support-3.48.1
mkfontdir-1.0.5
mkfontscale-1.0.7
mpfr-2.4.2_1
mplayer-0.99.11_14
mutt-devel-1.5.20_4
nas-1.9.2
nasm-2.07,1
neon29-0.29.3
nspluginwrapper-1.2.2_4
nspr-4.8.2
openal-20060211_10
openoffice.org-3.2.0_2
opera-devel-10.20_2,1
p5-Archive-Zip-1.30
p5-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.027
p5-Compress-Zlib-2.015
p5-HTML-Parser-3.65
p5-HTML-Tagset-3.20
p5-IO-Compress-Base-2.015
p5-IO-Compress-Zlib-2.015
p5-URI-1.54
p5-Weather-Underground-3.02
p5-XML-Parser-2.36_1
p5-gettext-1.05_2
p5-libwww-5.834
pango-1.26.2_2
patch-2.6.1
pciids-20091229
pcre-8.02
perl-5.10.1
pixman-0.16.6
pkg-config-0.23_1
pkgdb.db
png-1.4.1_1
policykit-0.9_5
policykit-gnome-0.9.2_2
popt-1.14
portupgrade-2.4.6_4,2
printproto-1.0.4
privoxy-3.0.16_1
py26-libxml2-2.7.6
py26-setuptools-0.6c11
python26-2.6.4
qmake-3.3.8_1
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qt4-assistant-4.5.2
qt4-clucene-4.5.2
qt4-corelib-4.5.2
qt4-dbus-4.5.2
qt4-doc-4.5.2
qt4-gui-4.5.2_1
qt4-help-4.5.2
qt4-linguist-4.5.2
qt4-moc-4.6.1
qt4-network-4.5.2
qt4-opengl-4.5.2
qt4-phonon-4.5.2
qt4-phonon-gst-4.5.2
qt4-qmake-4.6.1
qt4-qt3support-4.5.2
qt4-qtestlib-4.6.1
qt4-rcc-4.6.1
qt4-script-4.6.1
qt4-sql-4.5.2
qt4-sqlite-plugin-4.5.2
qt4-svg-4.6.1_1
qt4-uic-4.6.1
qt4-webkit-4.5.2
qt4-xml-4.5.2
randrproto-1.3.1
rarian-0.8.1
recordproto-1.14
renderproto-0.11
resourceproto-1.0.2
rpm-3.0.6_14
rtorrent-0.8.6_1
ruby-1.8.7.248_2,1
ruby18-bdb-0.6.5_1
samba34-libsmbclient-3.4.5
screen-4.0.3_7
scrnsaverproto-1.2.0
sdl-1.2.14_1,2
sessreg-1.0.5
setxkbmap-1.1.0
shared-mime-info-0.60_1
slim-1.3.1_4
smproxy-1.0.3
speex-1.2.r1_2,1
sqlite3-3.6.23.1_1
startup-notification-0.10
stellarium-0.10.2_1
subversion-1.6.11_1
sudo-1.7.2.6
svgalib-1.4.3_5
talloc-2.0.1
tcl-8.5.8
tcl-modules-8.5.8
testdisk-6.11_1
tiff-3.9.2_1
tnftp-20100108
trapproto-3.4.3
twm-1.0.4
unzip-6.0
urlview-0.9_2
v4l_compat-1.0.20100403_1
videoproto-2.3.0
vim-7.2.411
virtualbox-3.0.51.r22902_2
vte-0.20.5
wget-1.12
win32-codecs-20100303,1
wmii-3.6_3
worker-2.16.5
x11perf-1.5.1
x264-0.0.20100222_1
xauth-1.0.4
xbacklight-1.1.1
xbindkeys-1.8.3
xbitmaps-1.1.0
xcalc-1.0.3
xcb-proto-1.6
xcb-util-0.3.6_1
xcmiscproto-1.2.0
xcmsdb-1.0.2
xcursor-themes-1.0.2
xcursorgen-1.0.3
xdg-utils-1.0.2_4
xdpyinfo-1.1.0
xdriinfo-1.0.3
xev-1.0.4
xextproto-7.1.1
xf86-input-keyboard-1.3.2_2
xf86-input-mouse-1.4.0_6
xf86-video-ati-6.12.2_1
xf86-video-intel-2.7.1
xf86-video-mach64-6.8.1
xf86-video-nv-2.1.13_1
xf86-video-openchrome-0.2.903_2
xf86-video-r128-6.8.0_3
xf86-video-radeonhd-1.2.5_2
xf86-video-vesa-2.1.0_2
xf86bigfontproto-1.2.0
xf86dga-1.0.2_1
xf86dgaproto-2.1
xf86miscproto-0.9.3
xf86vidmodeproto-2.3
xgamma-1.0.3
xgc-1.0.2
xhost-1.0.3
xineramaproto-1.2
xinit-1.2.0
xinput-1.5.0
xkbcomp-1.1.0
xkbevd-1.1.0
xkbutils-1.0.1_2
xkeyboard-config-1.6_1
xkill-1.0.2
xlsatoms-1.0.2
xlsclients-1.0.2
xmlcatmgr-2.2
xmlcharent-0.3_2
xmlrpc-c-devel-1.22.2
xmodmap-1.0.4
xorg-7.4_2
xorg-apps-7.5
xorg-cf-files-1.0.3
xorg-docs-1.4,1
xorg-drivers-7.4_2
xorg-fonts-100dpi-7.5
xorg-fonts-7.5
xorg-fonts-75dpi-7.5
xorg-fonts-cyrillic-7.5
xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps-7.5
xorg-fonts-truetype-7.5
xorg-fonts-type1-7.5
xorg-libraries-7.5
xorg-macros-1.6.0
xorg-server-1.6.1,1
xpr-1.0.3
xprop-1.1.0
xproto-7.0.16
xrandr-1.3.2
xrdb-1.0.6
xrefresh-1.0.3
xset-1.1.0
xsetmode-1.0.0
xsetroot-1.0.3
xterm-258
xtrans-1.2.5
xvid-1.2.2_1,1
xvinfo-1.1.0
xwd-1.0.3
xwininfo-1.0.5
xwud-1.0.2
xz-4.999.9_1
yasm-0.8.0
zip-3.0
zsh-4.3.10_3



--
Caveat utilitor,
indi

From: Patrick Scheible on 11 May 2010 17:14
talon(a)lpthe.jussieu.fr (Michel Talon) writes:

> Patrick Scheible <kkt(a)zipcon.net> wrote:
> > > I hear PC-BSD fills that niche.
> >
> > To some extent. I'm using PCBSD 7.1.1. It's okay... except Firefox
> > from the PBI has mysterious 2-minute pauses every so often. And
> > there's a fair amount of applications that I want that don't have
> > PBIs. So for them, it's no better than plain FreeBSD.
> >
> > PCBSD 8.0 is released, but x.0 releases are generally bad luck so I
> > haven't upgraded. I've thought about changing to Ubuntu or something
> > else, but I'm not really sure if it would be better or it just has
> > better advocacy. This is for a desktop PC, not a laptop.
>
> Sincerely, for a desktop PC i think FreeBSD usually works OK, the
> hardware problems are basically far less severe than for laptops. The
> problems will come with software upgrades. The best solution, i think,
> is to erase /usr/local from time to time and reinstall everything when
> a new release appears. At least at release time there has been some
> consistency checking. Unfortunately you may discover that some software
> you like did not compile at release time so is absent from the DVD.
> Then you have to lose time tracking an upgrade of the port, etc.

Yes, I have only noticed minor hardware problems. Every time I
reboot, the mouse and keyboard are not recognized until I unplug them
and plug them back in. But after that they're fine... and rebooting
is fortunately rare. Concerns are more lack of PBI applications and
some clumsy things about the interface (which the KDE folks and the
PCBSD folks can blame each other for).

-- Patrick
From: Indi on 11 May 2010 17:25
And this is from my laptop, which has even more stuff on it:

[17:17]:$ ls /var/db/pkg/

HVSC-Update-2.8.4
ImageMagick-6.5.7.10
ORBit2-2.14.17
OpenEXR-1.6.1_2
Terminal-0.2.12_4
a2ps-a4-4.13b_4
aalib-1.4.r5_4
amspsfnt-1.0_5
apache-ant-1.7.1
appres-1.0.1
apr-ipv6-gdbm-db42-1.3.8.1.3.9_1
arts-1.5.10_2,1
artswrapper-1.5.3
asciidoc-8.4.5_1
aspell-0.60.6_2
atk-1.28.0
audacity-1.2.4b_5
aumix-2.8_5
autoconf-2.13.000227_6
autoconf-2.62
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