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From: Balwinder S Dheeman on 12 May 2010 22:44 On 05/12/2010 02:55 AM, Indi wrote: > And this is from my laptop, which has even more stuff on it: [snipped a huge list of ports] Aha! you topped for wasting CPU cycles, disk IO and bandwidth ;) -- Balwinder S "bdheeman" Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709 Anu'z Linux(a)HOME (Unix Shoppe) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192 Chandigarh, UT, 160062, India Plan9, T2, Arch/Debian/FreeBSD/XP Home: http://werc.homelinux.net/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/
From: Indi on 13 May 2010 09:44 On 2010-05-13, Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM(a)anu.homelinux.net> wrote: > On 05/12/2010 02:55 AM, Indi wrote: >> And this is from my laptop, which has even more stuff on it: > > [snipped a huge list of ports] > > Aha! you topped for wasting CPU cycles, disk IO and bandwidth ;) > Oh, I don't know -- wouldn't installing gnome or kde result in a list 3 times that size? :) -- Caveat utilitor, indi
From: Mike Scott on 13 May 2010 11:06 Patrick Scheible wrote: >.... > PCBSD 8.0 is released, but x.0 releases are generally bad luck so I > haven't upgraded. I've thought about changing to Ubuntu or something > else, but I'm not really sure if it would be better or it just has > better advocacy. This is for a desktop PC, not a laptop. I thought I'd give it a whirl, so booted off dvd to try the live version. Not good omens. First try on a laptop - 'trap 12' error. Web site says to unplug all devices and try again: difficult for a laptop! Second try on a desktop. Monitor goes into 'unsupported mode' mode, so no graphics visible; switching back to the text console shows an apparently interminable screen of incomprehensible error messages. I gave up. DVD now in storage.... Maybe 8.1 will be better; meanwhile, I /know/ crunchbang linux works on the laptop (and the same desktop, come to that). So it surely can't be that hard!! -- Mike Scott (unet2 <at> [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England
From: Indi on 13 May 2010 12:11 On 2010-05-13, Mike Scott <usenet.12(a)spam.stopper.scottsonline.org.uk> wrote: > Patrick Scheible wrote: >>.... >> PCBSD 8.0 is released, but x.0 releases are generally bad luck so I >> haven't upgraded. I've thought about changing to Ubuntu or something >> else, but I'm not really sure if it would be better or it just has >> better advocacy. This is for a desktop PC, not a laptop. > > I thought I'd give it a whirl, so booted off dvd to try the live version. > > Not good omens. > > First try on a laptop - 'trap 12' error. Web site says to unplug all > devices and try again: difficult for a laptop! > > Second try on a desktop. Monitor goes into 'unsupported mode' mode, so > no graphics visible; switching back to the text console shows an > apparently interminable screen of incomprehensible error messages. I > gave up. > > DVD now in storage.... Maybe 8.1 will be better; meanwhile, I /know/ > crunchbang linux works on the laptop (and the same desktop, come to > that). So it surely can't be that hard!! > > Sorry to hear that. Though I enjoy using straight FBSD it would be really nice to have a variant aimed at the "normal user" community that Just Works (IMO that would be much better than burdening FBSD with such requirements). The user-friendly Linux distros do represent a huge developer effort, so it really isn't as easy as you might imagine. -- Caveat utilitor, indi
From: Mike Scott on 14 May 2010 03:18
Indi wrote: > On 2010-05-13, Mike Scott <usenet.12(a)spam.stopper.scottsonline.org.uk> wrote: >> Patrick Scheible wrote: >>> .... >>> PCBSD 8.0 is released, but x.0 releases are generally bad luck so I >>> haven't upgraded. I've thought about changing to Ubuntu or something >>> else, but I'm not really sure if it would be better or it just has >>> better advocacy. This is for a desktop PC, not a laptop. >> I thought I'd give it a whirl, so booted off dvd to try the live version. >> >> Not good omens. >> >> First try on a laptop - 'trap 12' error. Web site says to unplug all >> devices and try again: difficult for a laptop! >> >> Second try on a desktop. Monitor goes into 'unsupported mode' mode, so >> no graphics visible; switching back to the text console shows an >> apparently interminable screen of incomprehensible error messages. I >> gave up. >> >> DVD now in storage.... Maybe 8.1 will be better; meanwhile, I /know/ >> crunchbang linux works on the laptop (and the same desktop, come to >> that). So it surely can't be that hard!! >> >> > > Sorry to hear that. Though I enjoy using straight FBSD it would be really > nice to have a variant aimed at the "normal user" community that Just > Works (IMO that would be much better than burdening FBSD with such > requirements). So was I. I have fbsd (6.something) running as a server. Very stable and reliable (apart from updating the ports :-} ). I've been trying off and on for some time to get fbsd up and usable as a desktop machine to replace XP. For all its faults, XP does just, more or less, work without hassle. Ubuntu is pretty close, but with a few silly problems like issues with hibernation and shutdown. I had high hopes of pcbsd, now somewhat shattered. But I do want to avoid a proliferation of OS's! > > The user-friendly Linux distros do represent a huge developer effort, so > it really isn't as easy as you might imagine. Overall, not easy. But something fundamental like a fatal fault when booting shouldn't be too hard to avoid. If a machine comes up at all, you can usually at least try something with it; if booting fails, well...... But I may take another look when I have some time (or 8.1 appears; .0 versions are always dubious!) > -- Mike Scott (unet2 <at> [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England |