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From: Bob Melson on 9 May 2010 16:44 On Sunday 09 May 2010 13:58, Indi (indi(a)satcidananda.16x108.merseine.nu) opined: > On 2010-05-09, Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM(a)anu.homelinux.net> wrote: >> On 05/09/2010 03:45 PM, Bob Eager wrote: >>> On Sun, 09 May 2010 11:07:44 +0100, Chronos wrote: >>> >>>> Exactly what I do. Granted, I'm an atypical user and I have a fairly >>>> well specified tinderbox system that can build OOo with localisation >>>> in 2 hours or thereabouts, but it's not beyond the realms of >>>> possibility to use NFS to distribute packages built with a single high >>>> spec desktop machine and one of the ports management utilities. That's >>>> the beauty of the ports system: It works in many scenarios where a >>>> package manager would fall flat. >>> >>> That's pretty well what I do, too. I have a high spec machine that >>> manages all of the ports, as well as buildworlds for nanoBSD etc. >>> >>> And I've been using FreeBSD since 2.1.something...and UNIX since >>> 1976... >> >> Where are the numbers; are your own compiled OOo, QT4, KDE and, or GNOME >> on FreeBSD much more efficient than the pre-build and signed binary >> packages of Debian and, or Ubuntu? >> >> If not or if the difference is not distinguishable enough, why waste CPU >> cycles, disk IO, bandwidth and, or electricity? >> >> In case you really want to do some fine-tuning and build the same or >> similar packages on Debian and, or Ubuntu also; provided you are willing >> to learn and, or do it. >> > > All that is completely beside the point. > No-one here has told anyone "you must use FBSD". What we have here > are a couple of disgruntled *former* users (by their own admission) > telling *us* that FBSD is inadequate because it isn't more like some > other OS. Regardless of who they may have been once in the community, > today they are posting as cranks. I suggest you read the thread from > the beginning, and you will easily see that. > > -- > Caveat utilitor, > indi Let's face it, we all have some point of dissatisfaction with FBSD - the increasing, ummm, clumsiness of the ports subsystem, packages often woefully behind, the tangled dependencies. None of that makes the o/s unusable or worse than <insert_name_of_choice_here>. Each of us has some reason he likes/prefers FBSD over some other o/s, some purely subjective, some arrived at objectively. Because _I_ like FBSD is no reason _you_ have to, nor the converse. For those who, for whatever reason, have chosen to, or must, run some other o/s, I say bravo for you. That's _your_ opinion, _your_ need, not mine. Yes, I've pissed and moaned about some of FBSD's recent shortcomings; overall, however, there is NO alternative o/s that I've tried that I would use in preference - and some I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot (3-meter) pole. So, let's have an end to this, agree to disagree, and go on with life as we find it. Bob Melson FBSD since 2.1.7 -- Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas ----- Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing. Ralph Waldo Emerson
From: Indi on 9 May 2010 16:52 On 2010-05-09, Bob Melson <amia9018(a)mypacks.net> wrote: > > Let's face it, we all have some point of dissatisfaction with FBSD - the > increasing, ummm, clumsiness of the ports subsystem, packages often > woefully behind, the tangled dependencies. None of that makes the o/s > unusable or worse than <insert_name_of_choice_here>. Each of us has some > reason he likes/prefers FBSD over some other o/s, some purely subjective, > some arrived at objectively. Because _I_ like FBSD is no reason _you_ > have to, nor the converse. > > For those who, for whatever reason, have chosen to, or must, run some other > o/s, I say bravo for you. That's _your_ opinion, _your_ need, not mine. > Yes, I've pissed and moaned about some of FBSD's recent shortcomings; > overall, however, there is NO alternative o/s that I've tried that I would > use in preference - and some I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot (3-meter) > pole. > > So, let's have an end to this, agree to disagree, and go on with life as we > find it. > I have no problem agreeing to disagree. In fact I don't really care what OS other people want to use. But I do take exception when someone tells me my personal experience is "bullshit" and then makes wild, unfounded assertions disparaging my OS of choice (which is precisely what Mr Talon did). -- Caveat utilitor, indi
From: Bob Eager on 9 May 2010 16:52 On Sun, 09 May 2010 16:20:16 +0000, Indi wrote: > On 2010-05-09, Michel Talon <talon(a)lpthe.jussieu.fr> wrote: >> Indi <indi(a)satcidananda.16x108.merseine.nu> wrote: >>> >>> Using it as my primary (usually sole) OS since 2004. >> >> Apparently i am beating you, i began using FreeBSD with the 2.2.5 in >> 1997. >> >> > It seems you're very concerned that everyone knows you're not merely > another user who wants big change, but a Very Important Long Time user > who wants big change. Then you are completely wrong. You are answering the wrong person. Go back and read it again. I don't WANT to use Ubuntu, I LIKE FreeBSD, and I'm happy with it. > But frankly, you come off as someone who was doing alright until you > made the mistake of buying some hardware without checking whether or not > it was suitable for use with FreeBSD and then you went into tantrum > mode. Or worse, someone just telling stories. But I never said any such thing. I repeat, you have the WRONG PERSON. I always check my hardware before I buy it, and I've never had ANY problem (except one one occasion, and then I just modified the FreeBSD device driver to make it work). > If you're so happy with Ubuntu, I don't see why you're so determined to > sit around here running down FreeBSD. Makes you look like a troll, > really... It would do, if any of that were true. Look back, check the facts, and apologise please. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1976)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
From: Bob Eager on 9 May 2010 16:53 On Mon, 10 May 2010 00:57:46 +0530, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > On 05/09/2010 03:45 PM, Bob Eager wrote: >> On Sun, 09 May 2010 11:07:44 +0100, Chronos wrote: >> >>> Exactly what I do. Granted, I'm an atypical user and I have a fairly >>> well specified tinderbox system that can build OOo with localisation >>> in 2 hours or thereabouts, but it's not beyond the realms of >>> possibility to use NFS to distribute packages built with a single high >>> spec desktop machine and one of the ports management utilities. That's >>> the beauty of the ports system: It works in many scenarios where a >>> package manager would fall flat. >> >> That's pretty well what I do, too. I have a high spec machine that >> manages all of the ports, as well as buildworlds for nanoBSD etc. >> >> And I've been using FreeBSD since 2.1.something...and UNIX since >> 1976... > > Where are the numbers; are your own compiled OOo, QT4, KDE and, or GNOME > on FreeBSD much more efficient than the pre-build and signed binary > packages of Debian and, or Ubuntu? > > If not or if the difference is not distinguishable enough, why waste CPU > cycles, disk IO, bandwidth and, or electricity? > > In case you really want to do some fine-tuning and build the same or > similar packages on Debian and, or Ubuntu also; provided you are willing > to learn and, or do it. I'm happy with what I have. It is *sufficiently* efficient for me. My time is more valuable than the minuscule amount of electricity. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1976)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
From: Bob Eager on 9 May 2010 16:54
On Mon, 10 May 2010 00:42:47 +0530, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > On 05/09/2010 09:50 PM, Indi wrote: >> On 2010-05-09, Michel Talon <talon(a)lpthe.jussieu.fr> wrote: >>> Indi <indi(a)satcidananda.16x108.merseine.nu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Using it as my primary (usually sole) OS since 2004. >>> >>> Apparently i am beating you, i began using FreeBSD with the 2.2.5 in >>> 1997. >>> >>> >> It seems you're very concerned that everyone knows you're not merely >> another user who wants big change, but a Very Important Long Time user >> who wants big change. >> >> But frankly, you come off as someone who was doing alright until you >> made the mistake of buying some hardware without checking whether or >> not it was suitable for use with FreeBSD and then you went into tantrum >> mode. Or worse, someone just telling stories. >> >> If you're so happy with Ubuntu, I don't see why you're so determined to >> sit around here running down FreeBSD. Makes you look like a troll, >> really... > > Please not, that calling someone, to whom you don't know, merely by > guesswork is a sheer foolishness and that too publically. And completely inaccurate guesswork too...if he had followed the thread properly, he'd know that. I have no interest in Ubuntu.. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1976)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org |