JSH: Some history is the future
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From: JSH on 15 Nov 2009 22:32 On Nov 15, 11:59 am, Owen Jacobson <angrybald...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2009-11-14 23:38:49 -0500, JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> said: > > > One of the weirder things that has emerged from my mathematical > > research is the possibility of continual transmission of information > > from the future to the past in order to CREATE the future, where key > > is what I call the optimal path algorithm. > > > Used against the Traveling Salesman Problem it gives you a traveler > > going backwards in time to meet himself, where the algorithm requires > > continual communication between the two travelers in order to get the > > optimal path. > > You have attached unwarranted, semi-mystical importance to the > "backwards" part of your trivial variation on bidirectional search[1]. I checked the "bidirectional search" over a year ago when it was first trotted out as what my optimal path algorithm does. But the actual algorithm applied to TSP has a backwards Traveler, who is going backwards in time to meet himself along the optimal path. In order to calculate that path the backwards Traveler has to communicate with himself in the past--or you can say the Traveler moving forward in time has to communicate with himself in the future. It's not mystical. It's an integral part of the actual algorithm, where the optimal path once calculated collapses to a single traveler moving forward in time. > It does not imply time travel; you can model it just as well by > thinking of two travellers, one going forward through the original > graph, and one going forward through a reversed version of the original > graph. And you don't mention communication between the two travelers. Now I've had over a year to ponder this thing and it scared me for a long time, and still unsettles me, as it changes how you look at just about everything we think we know as human beings. But I have a simple analogy: to get, say, a college degree, when you're a kid it can help to SEE yourself in the future getting that degree. And from the perspective of gaining that accomplishment you can make decisions like not to go out partying on the night before you take your SAT's. Your imagined future self helps you make a decision today. What we see as conscious decision making may just be a rather basic algorithm built into fundamental reality. > It'd serve you well to read up on how others have already solved graph > problems in general, and NP-complete graph problems specifically, > before running around trumpeting your "innovations". It's a pity you > won't. I have read up a lot on issues in this area. But I'm also considering an idea I have which seems to answer a lot of questions. From a purely intellectual perspective it's a fascinating algorithm to consider, and the implications are world shaking if true. Then in physics optimal paths are taken by information transmission from the future to the past and vice versa. Continually. All the time. So to physics information transfer backwards and forwards in time would be just a normal way of doing business. It's how physics even knows which way forward in time is! > -o > > [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidirectional_search> for starters. I've checked it before. The scariest part of the optimal path algorithm I've merely hinted at here. The scariest thing is that it may be why you think you're conscious. Then human beings actually live in a different state relative to time than they realize, slightly, out of phase, always partly in the future in some sense. But to us, we're merely seeing ourselves in some possible future. What this algorithm says instead though is that we may be seeing ourselves at times IN THE FUTURE, and it's not just your imagination, but physics. Not mysticism, but a weirder reality. James Harris
From: Noob on 16 Nov 2009 07:12 JSH wrote: > For various reasons the idea is floating around that the "end of the world" > is in 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon
From: sanboz on 16 Nov 2009 09:29 "JSH" <jstevh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:fa5c6070-f59d-4d4a-a224-2d4e10fbf493(a)y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On Nov 15, 11:59 am, Owen Jacobson <angrybald...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 2009-11-14 23:38:49 -0500, JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> said: > > > One of the weirder things that has emerged from my mathematical > > research is the possibility of continual transmission of information > > from the future to the past in order to CREATE the future, where key > > is what I call the optimal path algorithm. > > > Used against the Traveling Salesman Problem it gives you a traveler > > going backwards in time to meet himself, where the algorithm requires > > continual communication between the two travelers in order to get the > > optimal path. > > You have attached unwarranted, semi-mystical importance to the > "backwards" part of your trivial variation on bidirectional search[1]. I checked the "bidirectional search" over a year ago when it was first trotted out as what my optimal path algorithm does. But the actual algorithm applied to TSP has a backwards Traveler, who is going backwards in time to meet himself along the optimal path. In order to calculate that path the backwards Traveler has to communicate with himself in the past--or you can say the Traveler moving forward in time has to communicate with himself in the future. It's not mystical. It's an integral part of the actual algorithm, where the optimal path once calculated collapses to a single traveler moving forward in time. ******************start message******************* => JOIN THE ASHTAR COMMAND We already do this on a real time basis, get beyond primitive theory; and free your mind of limited thoughts; http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/ http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_ashtar_command.htm http://ashtarcommandtruth.com/ http://www.lightvoyager.com/ACnews/accnews.html http://ashtar.galactic2.net/ http://ashtargalacticcommanders.ning.com/ http://www.freewebs.com/ashtargalacticcommand/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtar_(extraterrestrial_being) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu0PGd-IVNI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gflfRrcn6QI http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/6844/Ascension_Timelines__Ashtar_Command_and_2012/ ***************end message******************************* > It does not imply time travel; you can model it just as well by > thinking of two travellers, one going forward through the original > graph, and one going forward through a reversed version of the original > graph. And you don't mention communication between the two travelers. Now I've had over a year to ponder this thing and it scared me for a long time, and still unsettles me, as it changes how you look at just about everything we think we know as human beings. But I have a simple analogy: to get, say, a college degree, when you're a kid it can help to SEE yourself in the future getting that degree. And from the perspective of gaining that accomplishment you can make decisions like not to go out partying on the night before you take your SAT's. Your imagined future self helps you make a decision today. What we see as conscious decision making may just be a rather basic algorithm built into fundamental reality. > It'd serve you well to read up on how others have already solved graph > problems in general, and NP-complete graph problems specifically, > before running around trumpeting your "innovations". It's a pity you > won't. I have read up a lot on issues in this area. But I'm also considering an idea I have which seems to answer a lot of questions. From a purely intellectual perspective it's a fascinating algorithm to consider, and the implications are world shaking if true. Then in physics optimal paths are taken by information transmission from the future to the past and vice versa. Continually. All the time. So to physics information transfer backwards and forwards in time would be just a normal way of doing business. It's how physics even knows which way forward in time is! > -o > > [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidirectional_search> for starters. I've checked it before. The scariest part of the optimal path algorithm I've merely hinted at here. The scariest thing is that it may be why you think you're conscious. Then human beings actually live in a different state relative to time than they realize, slightly, out of phase, always partly in the future in some sense. But to us, we're merely seeing ourselves in some possible future. What this algorithm says instead though is that we may be seeing ourselves at times IN THE FUTURE, and it's not just your imagination, but physics. Not mysticism, but a weirder reality. James Harris
From: Mark Murray on 16 Nov 2009 13:18 sanboz wrote: > "JSH" <jstevh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:fa5c6070-f59d-4d4a-a224-2d4e10fbf493(a)y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com... ....etc Sanboz - it is very hard to see what you wrote and what you are quoting. Please quote properly. Turning off HTML may help. M
From: sanboz on 16 Nov 2009 14:32
"Mark Murray" <w.h.oami(a)example.com> wrote in message news:4b019767$0$2479$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk... > sanboz wrote: >> "JSH" <jstevh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:fa5c6070-f59d-4d4a-a224-2d4e10fbf493(a)y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > ...etc > > Sanboz - it is very hard to see what you wrote and what you are quoting. > > Please quote properly. Turning off HTML may help. > > M it posts in text always but it is Outlook Express -- it seems to forget the > marks on some posts coming in, (about 1/4) although it is set to show them. I haven't figured that one out and on the longer posts it is a pain to go back and put in the > Any Ideas? |