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From: JSH on 12 Jun 2010 20:03 On Jun 12, 3:44 pm, David Bernier <david...(a)videotron.ca> wrote: > JSH wrote: > > On Jun 11, 8:26 pm, Tim Little<t...(a)little-possums.net> wrote: > >> On 2010-06-11, JSH<jst...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> I've speculated that the math error actually selects out certain > >>> types of people who tolerate error--despite their denial. > > >> That displays more self-insight than usual for you. > > >> - Tim > > > Google (has to be Google): algebraic integers vs complex numbers > > > Oh and then reply ranting and raving about how Google search results > > are meaningless to explain away why a paper of mine is #1. > > > I'm not the nut. You people are hiding from that result. > > > Because it's a foundational level result which shreds your > > mathematical educations, so if you admit it's correct, what then? > > > ___JSH > > I don't think anybody knows the answer to that. > > David Bernier Why not try to answer? Mathematics can be unique versus, say, my degree in physics, which is just a B.Sc. so people don't think I'm claiming a Ph.D, in that it can be "pure math", which has no application, so what if it's wrong? How would that rip the heart out of people who spent their lives working on it, if a deep problem were discovered? What's the upside then to them with the truth? My degree in physics has to do with what humanity found WORKS. And we're surrounded by examples every day, including these computers and networks over which we furiously trade insults. The Google search is an objective reality from those networks. The world is voting all the time to generate search rankings. The result emerges over worldwide competition. Posters put it down because it's such a stark and unrelenting reality that our world is VERY competitive. And despite the protestations of posters Google does not just give away #1 search rank. Doesn't it bother any of you that the world may on some level realize that most number theorists are very wrong and just not care? That in the big scheme of things whether they are right or wrong doesn't matter to MOST people? That their lives and life's work is nothing to the world, so it doesn't feel a need to rectify this situation? They are throwing away their lives, after all. James Harris
From: dannas on 12 Jun 2010 20:38 "JSH" <jstevh(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:f8209829-c477-4f91-8cec-7db18336f9b8(a)x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com... On Jun 12, 3:44 pm, David Bernier <david...(a)videotron.ca> wrote: > JSH wrote: > > On Jun 11, 8:26 pm, Tim Little<t...(a)little-possums.net> wrote: > >> On 2010-06-11, JSH<jst...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> I've speculated that the math error actually selects out certain > >>> types of people who tolerate error--despite their denial. > > >> That displays more self-insight than usual for you. > > >> - Tim > > > Google (has to be Google): algebraic integers vs complex numbers > > > Oh and then reply ranting and raving about how Google search results > > are meaningless to explain away why a paper of mine is #1. > > > I'm not the nut. You people are hiding from that result. > > > Because it's a foundational level result which shreds your > > mathematical educations, so if you admit it's correct, what then? >> >> > ___JSH > >> I don't think anybody knows the answer to that. >> >> David Bernier >How would that rip the heart out of people who spent their lives >working on it, if a deep problem were discovered? If JSH was Amelda Marcos he would have a shoe collection of 5,600 pairs. (those pesky IF statements) >My degree in physics has to do with what humanity found WORKS. And >we're surrounded by examples every day, including these computers and >networks over which we furiously trade insults. Wrong, that was electrical and computer engineering, physics has little to do with it. >The Google search is an objective reality from those networks. The >world is voting all the time to generate search rankings. wrong, Google does the ranking. >The result >emerges over worldwide competition. Posters put it down because it's >such a stark and unrelenting reality that our world is VERY >competitive. >And despite the protestations of posters Google does not just give >away #1 search rank. Google uses your IP and location to sear and bias the search to keep you interested and direct you to companies that have paid them. >Doesn't it bother any of you that the world may on some level realize >that most number theorists are very wrong and just not care? They dont care about you, JSH, because you are very poor at math. >That in >the big scheme of things whether they are right or wrong doesn't >matter to MOST people? That their lives and life's work is nothing to >the world, so it doesn't feel a need to rectify this situation? yea, but they get paid over $140,000 average, JSH. >They are throwing away their lives, after all. yep, throwing it away for Money and Fame. We are so glad you are not doing that. >James Harris
From: Joshua Cranmer on 12 Jun 2010 21:10 On 06/12/2010 08:03 PM, JSH wrote: > My degree in physics has to do with what humanity found WORKS. And > we're surrounded by examples every day, including these computers and > networks over which we furiously trade insults. Computers and networks are developed primarily from EE, with ECE being the major offshoot of it today. The software is a result of computer science, which is an offshoot of (oddly enough) math departments. The last major physics result that has major impact on people's lives that I can think of would probably be either the development laser or possibly the explanation of molecular orbital bonding theory (which is more theoretical chemistry, but applied physics quite fuzzily blends with various forms of engineering and chemistry). Besides, a lot of what is taught in physics is already known to be false. I mean, Newtonian mechanics inadequately describes the world. -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth
From: Marshall on 12 Jun 2010 21:48 On Jun 12, 5:38 pm, "dannas" <inva...(a)invalid.com> wrote: > "JSH" <jst...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >The Google search is an objective reality from those networks. The > >world is voting all the time to generate search rankings. > > wrong, Google does the ranking. > > >The result > >emerges over worldwide competition. Posters put it down because it's > >such a stark and unrelenting reality that our world is VERY > >competitive. > >And despite the protestations of posters Google does not just give > >away #1 search rank. > > Google uses your IP and location to sear and bias the search to keep you > interested and direct you to companies that have paid them. That's not actually true. The search results are not paid results. The ads on the search results page are paid for, but not the search results themselves. Although other companies besides Google have historically done this. Google doesn't. Marshall
From: porky_pig_jr on 12 Jun 2010 22:01
On Jun 11, 7:51 pm, JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The real underlying problem is that years ago I found a foundational > error in number theory. Yeah, sure. Let me guess. Prime Factorization Theorem, right? It's all wrong. Courtesy of JSH. And of course you're not going to tell anyone exactly what was that error for fear it would be stolen by some white blue-eyed mathematician from MIT, the same one who stole the Prime Numbers algorithm, discovered by two Inverse 19 country boys. Da plot thickens. |