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From: Tom Anderson on 18 Mar 2010 17:22 On Wed, 17 Mar 2010, Mike Schilling wrote: > Stefan Ram wrote: >> Arne Vajh?j <arne(a)vajhoej.dk> writes: >>> Most likely Roedy (as usual) did not read the entire message >>> that he was replying to. >> >> Mike posted some very helpful observations at the end of >> his post. But he started his post with distracting and >> boring preliminaries. Possibly Roady was not the only one >> who was not reading it to the end. Anyway, I thank Mike >> for sharing his insights! > > You're welcome. (I think.) Yeah, too long for me, so didn't read it, but i'm looking forward to the movie. And only partly because i heard they cast Megan Fox as a bounded wildcard. tom -- I need a proper outlet for my tendency towards analytical thought. -- Geneva Melzack
From: Tom Anderson on 18 Mar 2010 17:24 On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Thomas Pornin wrote: > I am not claiming that generics are ill-designed by themselves; hard and > smart work went into them, and they do what they were meant to do. I > claim that they are a revival of an old theme, and flow opposite to the > rest of the design of Java. Interesting. Do you see Java falling into the gravity well of Smalltalk/Self, or something different? tom -- I need a proper outlet for my tendency towards analytical thought. -- Geneva Melzack
From: Tom Anderson on 18 Mar 2010 17:26 On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:35:29 -0700, Mike Schilling wrote: > >> Thomas Pornin wrote: >>> Basically, after using Java and generics quite extensively, I simply do >>> not buy the marketing slogan "generics add powerful compile-time bug >>> detection". I also note that the same slogan has been used for C++ >>> (with regards to C) and I do not buy it either. In both situation it is >>> a "nice intent", the kind Hell is paved of. >> > ^^ s/of/with/ > > ...please. Like the UK nastiness, "the england team", I find the > Americanism of using 'of' instead of 'with' very irritating. Arrrr, I > feel better with that off my chest. I believe it is the road to hell that is so paved, rather than hell itself. Hell has parquet floors throughout. tom -- I need a proper outlet for my tendency towards analytical thought. -- Geneva Melzack
From: Lew on 18 Mar 2010 18:05 Thomas Pornin wrote: >>> Basically, after using Java and generics quite extensively, I simply >>> do not buy the marketing slogan "generics add powerful compile-time >>> bug detection". I also note that the same slogan has been used for >>> C++ (with regards to C) and I do not buy it either. In both situation >>> it is a "nice intent", the kind Hell is paved of. > Martin Gregorie wrote: >> ...please. Like the UK nastiness, "the england team", I find the >> Americanism of using 'of' instead of 'with' very irritating. Arrrr, I >> feel better with that off my chest. > That's an Americanism? I'm American, and I'm not familiar with it. Tom Anderson wrote: > I believe it is the road to hell that is so paved, rather than hell > itself. Hell has parquet floors throughout. > If the road *to* Hell is paved with good intentions (not "intent"), and one is traversing that road in the opposite direction, i.e., *away from* Hell, is it not still paved with good intentions? So the road out of Hell is paved with good intentions, yes? The issue isn't the intentions, it's the direction in which one is traveling atop them. -- Lew
From: Thomas Pornin on 18 Mar 2010 19:50
According to Lew <lew(a)lewscanon.com>: > That's an Americanism? I'm American, and I'm not familiar with it. I am not American, neither British, and English is not my mother language, so my texts are subject to occasional (and creative) slipage. --Thomas Pornin |