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From: T Wake on 14 Nov 2006 16:40 <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message news:ejcl9p$8qk_011(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... > In article <frGdnY9R_emaTsXYnZ2dnUVZ8smdnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>news:ej9jii$8ss_003(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>> In article <QNU5h.124471$3x1.92893(a)fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, >>> "Sorcerer" <Headmaster(a)hogwarts.physics_e> wrote: >>>> >>>>"Ben Newsam" <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>news:n1ifl29hhnqark8djruc1ga4u3p3b0p37n(a)4ax.com... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Oh, my! The child has learned a new trick. How many decades >>> will take for you to grow out of the terrible-twos? >>> >> >>I doubt he will live that long. I just wish he wouldn't keep changing the >>letter at the end of his email address so I could keep him filtered >>easily. >> >> > He hasn't changed his user name in a very long time. I know. However on this PC, I use OE which filters on the email address. Why do you think he changes the letter at the end every now and then?
From: Don Bowey on 14 Nov 2006 16:47 On 11/14/06 12:11 PM, in article IL2dnVlH_dmRvsfYnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d(a)pipex.net, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:ejcga8$8ss_018(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <455759E3.AAAFF753(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Now think about why they can't afford it. >>>>> >>>>> Their wages are too low maybe ? They can't get a better paying job. >>>>> Other >>>>> expenses come first out of necessity ? These would be typical reasons. >>>> >>>> No. Unfortunately, people's mindset is that they should get stuff >>>> for free or pay very little. When a generic doesn't work as well >>>> as the namebrand, people decide to stay with the generic because >>>> they don't have to pay as much for it. >>> >>> You're not addressing my point, ot you're arguing in favour of inadequate >> health >>> care for ppl who aren't well off. >>> >>> In the above you seem to think that poorer ppl *really could* pay say $300 >> p.m. >>> for drugs. I say they simply don't have the kind of income to afford it >> without >>> starving. >> >> You are making too many assumptions. EAch sentence assumes different >> aged people. >> >>> >>> How about someone on that minimum wage job for example ? >> >> Here you seem to assume that all people who work at >> a minimum wage job will always work for that money, never >> get salary nor benefit increases, nor work at better-paying jobs. > > Ok, they may well get a pay rise. Hopefully they can stave off their health > care needs until that time. > > What if they cant? What if the 20 year old person trying to live on minimum > wage needs health care. How can s/he afford it? > > Many doctors will write off the cost of care for people who cannot afford to pay, and start them off with free "samples" of meds. It's rare to hear of someone who is refused the help of a doctor. On the other-hand, a Dr. doesn't have to accept a patient who is abusive or has a known habit of lieing to the Dr.
From: T Wake on 14 Nov 2006 16:50 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4559D6C5.6F2EE2C1(a)hotmail.com... > > > lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >> > "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >> >> >>$30 a month is massively expensive for USENET. >> > >> > I don't think so. The service provided was 7x24, never down >> > and the people knew what was going whenever something odd >> > was happening. When I said I got what I paid for, I meant >> > that the service was superb, timely, and absent of all bullshit. >> >> ...for which most people pay $10 - $20 for dialup these days. $30 is a >> DSL >> rate. You were being soaked. >> >> >>I pay ?20 per month for 2MB >> >>broadband, unlimited downloads and unlimited newsgroup access. >> >> >> >>Still, when you are living on $12k pa, I bet the reduced price was >> >>welcome. >> > >> > No. It was not because in return for the reduced price I got awful >> > service. And I was fussy about this one since I was a pro in the >> > biz. >> >> You need to get DSL. Service is great, mine never goes down (3 different >> locations now), and the faster download speeds would actually allow you >> to >> browse the web--i.e., get real information. > > From BAH's response to a post of mine about the same matter, I got the > impression that she may be a long distance from a major population centre. > > Even so, 512k DSL will work ok over a heck of a long distance. > > My first 'broadband' was actually 256k ( or was it even 128k ? ) but was > so > convenient just from the perspective of being always on. I got the > 'cheapy' > version to trial it and it got upgraded to 512k shortly after anyway. Unless her phone line is a bit of soggy string with a cup on the end, she can use a 56k modem. Worked well enough for me to browse the net until 2000 :-) Why she insists on a 14400 one (cos it has lights so she can diagnose the problems - but her service is so good there are no problems......) is beyond me.
From: T Wake on 14 Nov 2006 16:53 "krw" <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote in message news:MPG.1fc3cafce1cb3355989b42(a)news.individual.net... > In article <ejcl5p$8qk_009(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... >> In article <MPG.1fc25ed1ed313919989b01(a)news.individual.net>, >> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >> >In article <ej9j89$8ss_002(a)s785.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com>, >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com says... >> >> In article <MPG.1fc110d0730ee4c8989af1(a)news.individual.net>, >> >> krw <krw(a)att.bizzzz> wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >> >> >Sure, but they learn not to do that! ;-) Falling on CCA treated >> >> >SYP isn't much fun either. >> >> >> >> My feet are shuddering just thinking about walking on that trex >> >> stuff. >> > >> >Trex isn't likely to leave a nasty arsenic coated splinter (I wear >> >shoes when walking on my CCA SYP deck). >> >> Point. I haven't gone barefoot since I lived with my folks. >> Urban places have too much broken glass that never gets >> cleaned up. > > That's because no one will pay minimum wage to clean it up so the > job doesn't get done. ;-) Cant be that important to people then.
From: Don Bowey on 14 Nov 2006 16:55
On 11/14/06 12:21 PM, in article ZrGdnQlHbdSiuMfYRVnygQ(a)pipex.net, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > > <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message > news:ejch86$8ss_023(a)s858.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <guadndllr-dd1srYRVnytg(a)pipex.net>, >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>> >>> <jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:ej796a$8qk_012(a)s851.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>> In article <c5b06$45565eec$4fe73d4$10122(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, >>>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>>> T Wake wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> <lucasea(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:eNp5h.7027$yl4.5770(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Ben Newsam" <ben.newsam(a)ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:e96cl2tviek822ftetj8rtphkkoold1oqe(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (or if >>>>>>>> immobile, I ask to be visited at home), >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is this a standard form of care in the UK? We haven't had doctors in >>>>>>> general make house-calls here in the US for at least 40 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Where I live it is very common place, but there is a high percentage >>>>>> of >>>>>> older people in this village. Generally speaking though doctors will >>>>>> make >>>>>> house calls as required - it has been a couple of years since I last >>>>>> needed >>>>>> one, but there was no difficulty. My wife phoned the Health Centre and >>>>>> told >>>>>> the receptionist I was unable to get out of bed, three hours later the >>>>>> doctor was round to treat me. >>>>>> >>>>>> The health centres also have nurse practitioners (extra trained >>>>>> nurses) >>>>>> who >>>>>> spend a lot of time doing home visits. >>>>> >>>>> We have a local physician who makes scheduled house >>>>> calls every Thursday. His office is used by a >>>>> visiting podiatrist that day. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Now note all the times you all wrote "local". That's important. >>>> The US is big. There isn't much "local" anymore. You go >>>> into the city or urban centers and get into their medical >>>> production line. >>> >>> Local doesn't have to mean small. When I lived in the centre of London I >>> had >>> a local GP and a local health centre. >> >> Yes it does to mean small. > > Nope. Local does not imply size. My local GP was at a major teaching > hospital. It certainly was _not_ small. > >> A local health center has a small >> capacity. Even if you assume that all medical appointments will >> take 5 minutes, the capacity of any center is severely limited. >> Say it is in a population of 10,000 and all come down with a >> flu in the same 24 hours. The center won't be able to handle >> 100, let along 10,000. > > You still conflate small with local. In your example, you make the > assumption there is only one doctor and that the practice nurse is incapable > of treating patients with flu. If the local health centre has six doctors > (like my current one) and four practice nurses (like mine), they could > handle 600 patients an hour in your example. Ok, it may take 12 hours to > treat _everyone_ but unless there were 10,000 doctors it is going to take > longer than five minutes. If I recall correctly, insurance companies allow 15 minutes for the doctor. Sometimes the Dr. can do the job in that time, or less, but your example errs. You cannot assume the patient has (only) the flu, and it takes time to get more info. Don > > Please stop making up insane examples to justify your hatred of change. > > |