From: jmfbahciv on
In article <engd0e$k5g$1(a)blue.rahul.net>,
kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>In article <1167795024.451323.271660(a)n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>Winfield Hill <hill(a)rowland.org> wrote:
>>Ken Smith wrote:
>>> Americans don't want to pick lettuce. So long as there is a strong market
>>> for the labor with political clout, the fence won't be built or effective
>>> if it is.
>>
>> Plenty of Americans DO pick lettuce. But they don't want to work for
>> factory farms at $4 or $5 per hour doing it; they need $8 to $10 to
>> make it reasonable. It's a bit surprising to realize that this labor
>> cost difference would only modestly raise the final selling price.
>> And, if all the growers had to live by the same wage rules, for the
>> most part it wouldn't greatly affect their profits either.
>
>The "wouldn't greatly effect" seems to be the hard part of your argument.
>The factory farmer operators are knowingly hiring people who have no right
>to work in the country. They, at least, have the issue of the risks they
>are taking pushing them away from doing this. The pay difference is the
>only motive you have allowed for them to do this. This suggests that in
>their opinion, the pay difference is significant.
>
>Perhaps you could argue along the "if any do it, they all must to remain
>competitive" line, but I don't think that works either. These people work
>against the US gaining control of its border. Since gaining control of
>the border would effect all farmers, they would not see this as something
>they need to do for competitive reasons.
>

Human labor is required. Now that people can't hire kids to do the
work, there is a job market for people who can work cheaply.

/BAH
From: jmfbahciv on
In article <459B42B0.AF5E7A6B(a)hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Ken Smith wrote:
>
>> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Once the terrorism eventually drops into oblivion the
>> >wiretaps will also cease.
>>
>> I doubt it. When did the honey bee subsidy end? It was needed encourage
>> bee keeping to make wax for bullets.
>>
>> >All this assumes the terrorists lose.
>>
>> I am confident that the method to terrorism will remain in use for a long
>> time. It will be new groups with new reasons.
>
>It's been with us at least since the time of the Roman Empire.
>
>I doubt that terrorism will suddenly cease to be an attractive option for
those
>who want to make a big impact with relatively few followers.

You keep assuming that this mindset exists. That is what the
mindset of moderates need to change to; but it hasn't yet.

/BAH
From: jmfbahciv on
In article <45999E2D.56197467(a)hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Ken Smith wrote:
>
>> Until someone is found guilty of a crime, that person has the full rights
>> under US law.
>
>Unless *suspected* of terrorism of course in which case their rights are
voided.

If you agree with Ken's statement, you are also agreeing to be
a subject of the US Constitution. If that is the case,
you can find your tax forms at irs.gov.

/BAH
From: jmfbahciv on
In article <45999D6B.96DDFDF1(a)hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>> >
>> >You should care. It is the very things that have made the US a free
>> >country that are being lost.
>>
>> I see. You cannot list those who are denied their US Constituional
>> rights. Perhaps those who are being monitored under this law
>> are those who have no Constitutional rights? IOW, they are not
>> of this country but are an enemy of this country.
>
>So who gets to decide if they're an enemy ?

The Patriot Act specifies who. Actions demonstate who are enemies.
Letters of intent give pointers to who is an enemy.
>
>What happens if someone denounces *YOU* for example.

As you people have denounced me in this thread? Nothing happens to me.
I do need to make a decision on whether it's useful to continue
to educate and learn in order to prevent messes from happening.

>
>You can then be 'disappeared'

I have no idea where you are getting this notion. You didn't
happen to watch a certain "Law and Order" TV show, did you?
Hint. Those stories are fiction and have started other
urban myths.

>and you'll simply officially cease to exist. I
>believe this kind of thing was reputedly common in Communist Russia.

I don't think I'll officially cease to exist. That means that
I no longer have to pay property and income taxes.

/BAH
From: unsettled on
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
> In article <45999D6B.96DDFDF1(a)hotmail.com>,
> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
>>>
>>>>You should care. It is the very things that have made the US a free
>>>>country that are being lost.
>>>
>>>I see. You cannot list those who are denied their US Constituional
>>>rights. Perhaps those who are being monitored under this law
>>>are those who have no Constitutional rights? IOW, they are not
>>>of this country but are an enemy of this country.
>>
>>So who gets to decide if they're an enemy ?
>
>
> The Patriot Act specifies who. Actions demonstate who are enemies.
> Letters of intent give pointers to who is an enemy.
>
>>What happens if someone denounces *YOU* for example.
>
>
> As you people have denounced me in this thread? Nothing happens to me.
> I do need to make a decision on whether it's useful to continue
> to educate and learn in order to prevent messes from happening.
>
>
>>You can then be 'disappeared'
>
>
> I have no idea where you are getting this notion. You didn't
> happen to watch a certain "Law and Order" TV show, did you?
> Hint. Those stories are fiction and have started other
> urban myths.
>
>
>>and you'll simply officially cease to exist. I
>>believe this kind of thing was reputedly common in Communist Russia.
>
>
> I don't think I'll officially cease to exist. That means that
> I no longer have to pay property and income taxes.

He's been watching reruns of "The Prisoner" TV series. LOL