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From: Phil Carmody on 18 Feb 2007 17:35 jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > In article <87ire0susb.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, > Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > >> In article <8764a0ucl2.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, > >> Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com writes: > >> >> >I think that Linux has reached the point where it is good enough for > all > >> >> >practical purposes. > >> >> > >> >> Nope. It is not a product (in the sense that we called things > >> >> a product). It is still a toy; it has a little bit more growing > >> >> up to do. > >> > > >> >Odd. The *world's largest manufacturer* of the kit that > >> >holds the internet together think that they want to run > >> >linux on their kit, and have done for years. Your > >> >perspective on the IT world is as skewed as your perspective > >> >on pretty much everything else, it appears. > >> > >> I am not talking about the IT world. That's just a small niche > >> of the computing biz. There is more to Real Life than IT. > > > >A small niche where one single linux-using company can make > >nearly $6B net profit in a year. > > You really do need to learn more about the computer biz. > IT is electronic paper pushing. I don't care what you're thiking of - I'm talking about things that can be sensibly measured in petabits per second. That doesn't fit on any amount of paper. Phil -- "Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./.
From: Ken Smith on 18 Feb 2007 17:40 In article <5f310$45d8a544$4fe770f$11782(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, nonsense(a)unsettled.com <nonsense(a)unsettled.com> wrote: BAH wrote: >>>Where's that supposed bright line between coding and using? > >> <GRIN> Believe it or not, compilation. I guess I'd better >> define this one. Compilation is the computing service that >> changes your ASCII character directions into data blocks >> that a linker can use to produce an executable set of >> machine insructions. > >You mean like when I type a name and password in at >the appropriate prompts. :-) No, that is obviously an interpreter. >I understand what you think you wrote, but that >doesn't define a bright line. When I set up a >crontab to repeat a computer process (perhaps back >up a set of files and put them on tape or a cd) at >a certain time every day am I coding or am I using? I'd say both in this case. It is an interpreter you are coding for, you are using, lets say, vi and likely bash to do it. >Same thing with a doze PC and "scheduled tasks." In that case you are neither programming not a user. You are a victim. >There are libraries at all "higher levels." I view this >as a discussion well suited to fuzzy logic analysis. I disagree. Fuzzy logic is just a digital guy trying to do analog. > > -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 18 Feb 2007 17:49 In article <87y7mvp1kg.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes: >> In article <871wkosial.fsf(a)nonospaz.fatphil.org>, >> Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >kensmith(a)green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) writes: >> [....] >> >> It may have been better if a new term was invented. All the existing >> >> terms had meanings: >> >> >> >> "another screen" is bad because many Linux systems have more than one >> >> screen >> >> >> >> "another virtual screen" is bad because many Linux systems have a non >> >> graphics virtual screen along with the graphics one. You can configure >> >> for only one "desk top" and still have "another virtual screen". Also >> >> the "virtual screen" may be larger than the physical hardware screen. >> >> >> >> "another window" won't do because the term window is used for a part of >> >> what is on the screen. >> > >> >'Workspace' is used by some window managers. I've also >> >seen 'pane'. >> >> "workspace" may be a good one. >> >> "Pane" is also used as a subsection within a window so it could also be >> confusing. >> >> > I hear 'desktop' far more often though, and >> >have done for well over a decade. >> >> It was in use as a term before the creation of "Windows". Borland didn't >> invent the term for their IDE. > > >This is worth a read in a quiet moment or ten: > >stud3.tuwien.ac.at/~e9726166/WindowInterfaces.pdf It looks like a lot more that 10 minutes worth of reading. I did a quick scan through. > >Phil >-- >"Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank >so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of >/In God We Trust, Inc./. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: Ken Smith on 18 Feb 2007 17:57 In article <6ZSdnZBHfYsvV0XYnZ2dnUVZ8surnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, T Wake <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: [.....] >I get the feeling BAH will have a multitude of reasons why, despite meeting >_all_ her criteria, Linux is still not a "mature" OS based on some >experience she had with it back around the time of the Trojan wars. No, back then the problem was with the STOS (Stone Tablet Operating System). Data writes were very slow. The file structure was upper right to lower left. The stack could only hold a few before the floor failed. -- -- kensmith(a)rahul.net forging knowledge
From: nonsense on 18 Feb 2007 18:21
Ken Smith wrote: > In article <5f310$45d8a544$4fe770f$11782(a)DIALUPUSA.NET>, > nonsense(a)unsettled.com <nonsense(a)unsettled.com> wrote: > BAH wrote: > >>>>Where's that supposed bright line between coding and using? >> >>><GRIN> Believe it or not, compilation. I guess I'd better >>>define this one. Compilation is the computing service that >>>changes your ASCII character directions into data blocks >>>that a linker can use to produce an executable set of >>>machine insructions. >> >>You mean like when I type a name and password in at >>the appropriate prompts. :-) > > > No, that is obviously an interpreter. > > >>I understand what you think you wrote, but that >>doesn't define a bright line. When I set up a >>crontab to repeat a computer process (perhaps back >>up a set of files and put them on tape or a cd) at >>a certain time every day am I coding or am I using? > > > I'd say both in this case. It is an interpreter you are coding for, you > are using, lets say, vi and likely bash to do it. > > > >>Same thing with a doze PC and "scheduled tasks." > > > In that case you are neither programming not a user. You are a victim. > > > >>There are libraries at all "higher levels." I view this >>as a discussion well suited to fuzzy logic analysis. > > > I disagree. Fuzzy logic is just a digital guy trying to do analog. Disagree all you want. Disagreement doesn't change the facts or the scope. |