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From: jmfbahciv on 23 Oct 2006 07:16 In article <Vq-dndGja_EooqfYRVnyuQ(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:ehd382$8qk_006(a)s884.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <58GdnewlesO5CKvYRVnygA(a)pipex.net>, >> "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: >>> >>><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >>>news:eh536o$8qk_004(a)s847.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >>>> In article <uqkaj29qqainbc7l4mc8i51e40dbj8cf56(a)4ax.com>, >>>> John Larkin <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: >>>>>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:57:10 +0100, Eeyore >>>>><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>John Larkin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Oct 06 11:50:44 GMT, jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >Pushing in certain areas is not the best way to prevent future >>>>>>> >messes. I've found that the only way for people to learn how >>>>>>> >not make new messes is to have them clean up the ones they >>>>>>> >already made. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Excellent. Care to assign cleanup duties in the Middle East and >>>>>>> Africa? >>>>>> >>>>>>Which bits of Africa did you have in mind ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Well, let's see. We could start with the Belgian Congo, and maybe >>>>>Rhodesia, perhaps Cote D'Ivorie and German East Africa. >>>> >>>> I think Liberia is key but I'm not sure. It would be productive >>>> if the countries in Africa were left alone. >>> >>>To kill each other? Strikes me as a reasonable idea. Let them all kill >>>each >>>other, then when the dust settles we can kill the one or two survivors and >>>take all the diamonds. >> >> A lot of recent killing is the hangover of the Cold War. The UN >> has not helped since it seems to be admirable to keep the >> former third world in its place by making them welfare countries >> and punishing those who refuse such handouts. > >Most of the troubles in Africa are down to the fact they are not countries >in the sense "Westerners" use the term. They are artificial borders drawn by >colonial powers which cross traditional tribal and ethnic boundaries. To >expect people to settle with this is (IMHO of course) nonsense and the >warfare is almost understandable. > >I don't think that any of the central African nations are hold overs from >Cold War proxy conflicts, it goes back further than that. Sigh! Make a list of their debt to the World Bank. Compare who is having lots of internal problems with those who are building an infrastructure that is skipping the copper wire. /BAH
From: jmfbahciv on 23 Oct 2006 07:20 In article <ZJw_g.41$U73.14(a)newsfe03.lga>, Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_(a)charter.net> wrote: >Eeyore wrote: >> >> jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >>>Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >> >> You're clueless. >> >> Graham >> > Did we catch you talking to your self in the mirror again? That guy does not need you to edit his posts to make him look foolish; he does that just fine all by himself. So why did you do this? /BAH
From: Daniel Mandic on 23 Oct 2006 08:30 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > 120? But that's in metric, not English. What is the Number telling? Best Regards, Daniel Mandic
From: jmfbahciv on 23 Oct 2006 07:43 In article <PtWdnWzlorfyqafYnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d(a)pipex.net>, "T Wake" <usenet.es7at(a)gishpuppy.com> wrote: > ><jmfbahciv(a)aol.com> wrote in message >news:ehd3gi$8qk_007(a)s884.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com... >> In article <45378C8B.35815C8E(a)hotmail.com>, >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>> >>>> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >> Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> >jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: >>>> >> >> unsettled <unsettled(a)nonsense.com> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >Religious extremism is always the result of one of the following: >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >A) Insanity >>>> >> >> > >>>> >> >> >B) Desire for power, control, and wealth >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> None of the above. Fear. Pure, simple terror. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >You think religious extremism is the result of fear ? >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes. Fear of losing control. >>>> > >>>> >Whose control ? >>>> >>>> I don't understand your question. In both religions, the >>>> extremist leaders cannot have their followers think for >>>> themselves; >>> >>>Both ? Which both is this ? >> >> Islam and Christianity. I thought that was what this drift >> of the thread was talking about. >> >>> >>> >>>> all critical thinking skills are dangerous >>>> to their grasp of power. The Muslims who fear this loss >>>> see Western civlization as the culprit (EMF media cannot >>>> be blocked out). >>> >>>LOL. Muslims are quite capable of using electronic media themselves. >> >> That's the irony of their preaching to get back to the old ways. >> The Unibomber suffered the same thinking schism. > >I agree (for once). Islamic extremists (as do Christian and Jewish ones etc) >often only ban things which are enjoyable. When it comes to warfare on the >latest, most sinful, items will do. No. Not enjoyable. The ones who are ruthless enough to become the leaders enjoy inflicting pain and suffering to prove they have power. This is a normal human condition. The US, so far, has avoided this because of the elections which give voters the opportunity of revenge without spilling blood. Those extremists are terrified of losing power over their constituencies. These types do not know how to herd people who are able to think for themselves. They are more comfortable giving orders and expecting all to obey them without question. People who are allowed to think for themselves, will question orders or lifestyles that don't make sense. Western civilization lifestyles encourage people to think for themselves; they learn how to make lifestyle decisions. Think about a religion that tells you what kind of shoes you will wear thruout your lifetime. > >>> >>> >>>> Notice what has happened in Somalia >>>> recently. >>> >>>Can you be more specific ? >> >> The regular people were not allowed to watch a soccer match >> (TV shows human images which is not allowed in Islam). Now >> the regular people are starting to say no to these extremists. > >Which is why there is very little to fear from extremism. Sigh! I estimate that this attitude change will take about 10 years. I do not think the world will have those 10 years to evolve societies. I think there will be an event that will cause such a huge mess that it will take a milenia to restore life styles back to current levels. > >In Turky, with 98% of the population being Moslem, they watch TV. Sigh! Turkey has a government body that separates church from state. It has its own spoken and written language. It has not had this type of government very long and is in danger of reverting back to the old ways. Pay attention to what is going on in Turkey. Turkey is also the only Muslim country I visited where people knew how to work and get things done. They tend to have capitalism as their economic base. > >>>> The residents in that area are now sorting >>>> out which culture will exist. >>> >>>That is indeed for those who live there. >>> >>> >>>> The US' religious right has similar fears. Note their >>>> tactics. They chose a political tactic and targeted >>>> schools. It's blowing up in their faces in most areas >>>> (they're either getting fired or voted out). I don't >>>> know what these types in Europe are doing. I only get >>>> hints from Pope news. >>> >>>Religion doesn't have that much power in most of Europe. There is no >>>parallel. >> >> Europe is more susceptible than any other place in the Western >> world (that I can think of). > >Not true. Your nation is founded by religious zealots who left Europe to get >religious freedom for their idiosyncrasies. No wonder you have your attitude. You are wrong about how the Constitution was written. > >Yes, 500 years ago, Europe was the centre of Christian extremism. This is no >longer the case. The papal state is not exactly a large nation, is it? However, the creators of Europe's last Christian extremism is starting to get political power in Germany again. So don't get so damned smug. The veneer of civilization in Europe is very thin and breeches have been allowed to occur with very little reaction... again. > >> You certainly have forgotten >> all of your history. > >Again, not true. Culture has flourished in Europe since at least 3000BC. >Europe has only been a Christianised region since around AD1000. Up until >around AD1700, Europe was dominated (in a loose sense of the word) by >Christianity but since then it has been on the wane. > >Are you implying that those 700 years of Christian ascendancy outweigh the >other 4300 years? I am implying that Europe is very used to allowing religious extremism to make messes. It is in that location's folklore and basic hidden assumptions. > >Your nation is led by a President who is overtly seek guidance from God. All of our Presidents have done this. It's part of the politics in the US. >That would frighten me. The UK PM is a devout Catholic. That offends me, but >at least we are not a super power There you go again placing the US in the position as supercop yet bitching vehementing when we do take action. >and there are (currently) significant >checks and balances to prevent a religious upsurge. No, there is not, even in your country. You indulge people who m
From: Eeyore on 23 Oct 2006 08:59
jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > lparker(a)emory.edu (Lloyd Parker) wrote: > > jmfbahciv(a)aol.com wrote: > > >>Our business and politics do not > >>work that way. I think a lot Europeans are confused by > >>this because their businesses are generally government > >>controlled. > > > >A total lie. Europe is very capitalistic. > > Not the labor. Labor is union. Wrong again ! Is it only myths that you take seriously ? I have never been in any trades union for example. Graham |