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From: Sat on 21 Jul 2006 17:14 I have two systems. One has XP prof on it and the other has the SBS 2003. I want to connect both of them thru the workgroup. I can make the XP prof system to join the Workgroup by simply clicking change in the Computer Name tab of System Properties and specifying the workgroup name in the "Member of" group box. In the SBS machine, there is no way to do that. How can I make both the systems to be on the same workgroup? Thanks "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote: > DC = Domain Controller. A specially-configured server. Among other things, > it stores system-wide user account information, authenticates users and > enforces security policies for a Windows domain. > > AD = Active Directory. A network service that identifies all resources on a > network and makes them accessible to users and applications. Resources > include e-mail addresses, computers, and peripheral devices such as > printers. > > Out of the box, SBS 2003 is installed as a Domain Controller. Your existing > workstations (and "workgroup" servers, if you have any) are then joined to > that "domain". > > I'm curious as to what you expected when you bought SBS 2003 and what you > really wanted to accomplish with it. Could you please explain a little more > about your situation and present network setup (workstations, servers, > routers, etc.)? > > -- > Merv Porter [SBS MVP] > =================================== > > "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com... > > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain. > > What does DC and AD mean in > > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain" > > > > Thanks > > > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com, > >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed: > >> > I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a > >> > workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and > >> > clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers > >> > cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be > >> > demoted. > >> > >> That's right. > >> > >> > > >> > In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is > >> > disabled. > >> > >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like this. > >> > > >> > How do I join a workgroup domain? > >> > >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a > >> domain. > >> > > >> > Thanks. > >> > >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup. You > >> have > >> to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all sorts of other > >> rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading on what it is you've > >> bought & installed before you poke around in it any further.... :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
From: Cris Hanna (SBS-MVP) on 21 Jul 2006 17:22 you simply can't SBS must be a domain controller and in charge of the Active Directory Domain -- Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP] -------------------------------------- Please do not respond directly to me, but only post in the newsgroup so all can take advantage "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:55315130-9F52-464C-9CDE-3BD6D7CA81BE(a)microsoft.com... I have two systems. One has XP prof on it and the other has the SBS 2003. I want to connect both of them thru the workgroup. I can make the XP prof system to join the Workgroup by simply clicking change in the Computer Name tab of System Properties and specifying the workgroup name in the "Member of" group box. In the SBS machine, there is no way to do that. How can I make both the systems to be on the same workgroup? Thanks "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote: > DC = Domain Controller. A specially-configured server. Among other things, > it stores system-wide user account information, authenticates users and > enforces security policies for a Windows domain. > > AD = Active Directory. A network service that identifies all resources on a > network and makes them accessible to users and applications. Resources > include e-mail addresses, computers, and peripheral devices such as > printers. > > Out of the box, SBS 2003 is installed as a Domain Controller. Your existing > workstations (and "workgroup" servers, if you have any) are then joined to > that "domain". > > I'm curious as to what you expected when you bought SBS 2003 and what you > really wanted to accomplish with it. Could you please explain a little more > about your situation and present network setup (workstations, servers, > routers, etc.)? > > -- > Merv Porter [SBS MVP] > =================================== > > "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com... > > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain. > > What does DC and AD mean in > > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain" > > > > Thanks > > > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com, > >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed: > >> > I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a > >> > workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and > >> > clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers > >> > cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be > >> > demoted. > >> > >> That's right. > >> > >> > > >> > In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is > >> > disabled. > >> > >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like this. > >> > > >> > How do I join a workgroup domain? > >> > >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a > >> domain. > >> > > >> > Thanks. > >> > >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup. You > >> have > >> to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all sorts of other > >> rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading on what it is you've > >> bought & installed before you poke around in it any further.... :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
From: SuperGumby [SBS MVP] on 21 Jul 2006 17:34 as has been asked elsewhere, for what reason(s) did you buy SBS? Also, are you at all familiar with running a server controlled Windows Domain? It is nothing to be frightened of, Susan (another SBS MVP) once described it as 'a workgroup on steroids'. SBS2003 _must_ be a Domain Controller, there is no workaround. Accept this, and instead of trying to put SBS into your workgroup put the XP Pro into the SBS domain and you will start to realise the benefits. "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:55315130-9F52-464C-9CDE-3BD6D7CA81BE(a)microsoft.com... >I have two systems. One has XP prof on it and the other has the SBS 2003. >I > want to connect both of them thru the workgroup. > > I can make the XP prof system to join the Workgroup by simply clicking > change in the Computer Name tab of System Properties and specifying the > workgroup name in the "Member of" group box. > > In the SBS machine, there is no way to do that. > > How can I make both the systems to be on the same workgroup? > > Thanks > > "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote: > >> DC = Domain Controller. A specially-configured server. Among other >> things, >> it stores system-wide user account information, authenticates users and >> enforces security policies for a Windows domain. >> >> AD = Active Directory. A network service that identifies all resources >> on a >> network and makes them accessible to users and applications. Resources >> include e-mail addresses, computers, and peripheral devices such as >> printers. >> >> Out of the box, SBS 2003 is installed as a Domain Controller. Your >> existing >> workstations (and "workgroup" servers, if you have any) are then joined >> to >> that "domain". >> >> I'm curious as to what you expected when you bought SBS 2003 and what you >> really wanted to accomplish with it. Could you please explain a little >> more >> about your situation and present network setup (workstations, servers, >> routers, etc.)? >> >> -- >> Merv Porter [SBS MVP] >> =================================== >> >> "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com... >> > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain. >> > What does DC and AD mean in >> > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain" >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com, >> >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed: >> >> > I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a >> >> > workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and >> >> > clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers >> >> > cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be >> >> > demoted. >> >> >> >> That's right. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is >> >> > disabled. >> >> >> >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like >> >> this. >> >> > >> >> > How do I join a workgroup domain? >> >> >> >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a >> >> domain. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks. >> >> >> >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup. You >> >> have >> >> to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all sorts of >> >> other >> >> rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading on what it is >> >> you've >> >> bought & installed before you poke around in it any further.... :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
From: Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] on 21 Jul 2006 15:48 In news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com, Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed: > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain. OK. You can't use SBS in a workgroup. Meaning, it has to be a domain controller, in its own AD domain. > What does DC and AD mean in > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain" I think Merv answered these pretty well....and again, if you bought SBS 2003 thinking you could use it in your non-AD environment as a regular server, I'm afraid you bought the wrong product. > > Thanks > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: > >> >> >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com, >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed: >>> I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a >>> workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and >>> clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers >>> cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be >>> demoted. >> >> That's right. >> >>> >>> In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is >>> disabled. >> >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like >> this. >>> >>> How do I join a workgroup domain? >> >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a >> domain. >>> >>> Thanks. >> >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup. >> You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all >> sorts of other rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading >> on what it is you've bought & installed before you poke around in it >> any further.... :)
From: Merv Porter [SBS-MVP] on 21 Jul 2006 17:51 Hi Sat, I think you may want to get to know SBS 2003 a little better before you actually try to run with it. Even with just one workstation, you're current network is a peer-to-peer network that you need to join to a domain. These documents should give you some of the basics: Migrating from a Peer-to-Peer Network to a Windows Small Business Server 2003 Network http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c085926d-49d1-4d48-95e6-0a37d5f41d34&displaylang=en Installing and Configuring SBS 2003 http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-and-Configuring-SBS2003.html SBS 2003 Articles http://www.12c4pc.com/articles.htm -- Merv Porter [SBS MVP] =================================== "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:55315130-9F52-464C-9CDE-3BD6D7CA81BE(a)microsoft.com... >I have two systems. One has XP prof on it and the other has the SBS 2003. >I > want to connect both of them thru the workgroup. > > I can make the XP prof system to join the Workgroup by simply clicking > change in the Computer Name tab of System Properties and specifying the > workgroup name in the "Member of" group box. > > In the SBS machine, there is no way to do that. > > How can I make both the systems to be on the same workgroup? > > Thanks > > "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote: > >> DC = Domain Controller. A specially-configured server. Among other >> things, >> it stores system-wide user account information, authenticates users and >> enforces security policies for a Windows domain. >> >> AD = Active Directory. A network service that identifies all resources >> on a >> network and makes them accessible to users and applications. Resources >> include e-mail addresses, computers, and peripheral devices such as >> printers. >> >> Out of the box, SBS 2003 is installed as a Domain Controller. Your >> existing >> workstations (and "workgroup" servers, if you have any) are then joined >> to >> that "domain". >> >> I'm curious as to what you expected when you bought SBS 2003 and what you >> really wanted to accomplish with it. Could you please explain a little >> more >> about your situation and present network setup (workstations, servers, >> routers, etc.)? >> >> -- >> Merv Porter [SBS MVP] >> =================================== >> >> "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com... >> > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain. >> > What does DC and AD mean in >> > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain" >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com, >> >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed: >> >> > I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a >> >> > workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and >> >> > clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers >> >> > cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be >> >> > demoted. >> >> >> >> That's right. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is >> >> > disabled. >> >> >> >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like >> >> this. >> >> > >> >> > How do I join a workgroup domain? >> >> >> >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a >> >> domain. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks. >> >> >> >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup. You >> >> have >> >> to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all sorts of >> >> other >> >> rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading on what it is >> >> you've >> >> bought & installed before you poke around in it any further.... :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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