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From: thejamie on 21 Jul 2006 18:00
Merv,
A workgroup is much like the opposite of a domain (with an "AD" - active
directory), which is what SBS is. In a domain, there is only one machine
and that machine is in charge of the other machines; that machine is the
"server" running SBS. You don't join the server to ANYTHING, instead you
join your other machines to server and the server's domain.

Workgroups are independent and can be extended between XP Pro machines.
That is why you can right click and join a different workgroup anytime you
see fit.

If you go to the properties of My Computer, you will see that you have more
than one choice about what to join. In one case, you can add your computer
to a group of computers (workgroup). In the other case, you can add your
machine to the domain (SBS server). The only person who can add a computer
to an SBS domain is the administrator or someone the administrator has added
to the role that is allowed to join other computers to the domain.

A workgroup is not ordered like a domain. Everyone is pretty much free to
do what they please from within the confines of the workgroup. They are
their own mini-administrators, but rely on the adminstrator of another
machine for a service not provided locally.

In the domain, everything has its place. Generally there is a single person
in charge. All the computers in the domain rely on the person running the
server.

These two items are very much like opposites. I think this is what Lanwench
may have been trying to get across.

Finally, to answer your question:
"How can I make both the systems to be on the same workgroup?" The answer
is that you need to change the way your question reads. What it should say
is "How can I join my workstation to the SBS domain?"

If you have SBS running, you can run a command from the command line:
http://myservername/connectComputer

This is actually easier than going to the properties and adding the computer
to the domain. If you've never done it before, it makes the whole process of
setting up SBS worth the effort. I would almost go so far as to say it is
fun.

--
Regards,
Jamie


"Sat" wrote:

> I have two systems. One has XP prof on it and the other has the SBS 2003. I
> want to connect both of them thru the workgroup.
>
> I can make the XP prof system to join the Workgroup by simply clicking
> change in the Computer Name tab of System Properties and specifying the
> workgroup name in the "Member of" group box.
>
> In the SBS machine, there is no way to do that.
>
> How can I make both the systems to be on the same workgroup?
>
> Thanks
>
> "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>
> > DC = Domain Controller. A specially-configured server. Among other things,
> > it stores system-wide user account information, authenticates users and
> > enforces security policies for a Windows domain.
> >
> > AD = Active Directory. A network service that identifies all resources on a
> > network and makes them accessible to users and applications. Resources
> > include e-mail addresses, computers, and peripheral devices such as
> > printers.
> >
> > Out of the box, SBS 2003 is installed as a Domain Controller. Your existing
> > workstations (and "workgroup" servers, if you have any) are then joined to
> > that "domain".
> >
> > I'm curious as to what you expected when you bought SBS 2003 and what you
> > really wanted to accomplish with it. Could you please explain a little more
> > about your situation and present network setup (workstations, servers,
> > routers, etc.)?
> >
> > --
> > Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
> > ===================================
> >
> > "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com...
> > > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain.
> > > What does DC and AD mean in
> > > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain"
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com,
> > >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> > >> > I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a
> > >> > workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and
> > >> > clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers
> > >> > cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be
> > >> > demoted.
> > >>
> > >> That's right.
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is
> > >> > disabled.
> > >>
> > >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like this.
> > >> >
> > >> > How do I join a workgroup domain?
> > >>
> > >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a
> > >> domain.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup. You
> > >> have
> > >> to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all sorts of other
> > >> rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading on what it is you've
> > >> bought & installed before you poke around in it any further.... :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
From: Merv Porter [SBS-MVP] on 22 Jul 2006 17:28
Adding and Securing a Computer Running Windows XP Professional by Using
Windows Small Business Server 2003
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/smallbusiness/prodtech/windowsxp/xp2sbs.mspx

--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
"Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" <mwport(a)no_spam_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23zWmU$QrGHA.4492(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hi Sat,
>
> I think you may want to get to know SBS 2003 a little better before you
> actually try to run with it. Even with just one workstation, you're
> current network is a peer-to-peer network that you need to join to a
> domain. These documents should give you some of the basics:
>
> Migrating from a Peer-to-Peer Network to a Windows Small Business Server
> 2003 Network
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c085926d-49d1-4d48-95e6-0a37d5f41d34&displaylang=en
>
> Installing and Configuring SBS 2003
> http://www.msexchange.org/tutorials/Installing-and-Configuring-SBS2003.html
>
> SBS 2003 Articles
> http://www.12c4pc.com/articles.htm
>
> --
> Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
> ===================================
>
> "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:55315130-9F52-464C-9CDE-3BD6D7CA81BE(a)microsoft.com...
>>I have two systems. One has XP prof on it and the other has the SBS 2003.
>>I
>> want to connect both of them thru the workgroup.
>>
>> I can make the XP prof system to join the Workgroup by simply clicking
>> change in the Computer Name tab of System Properties and specifying the
>> workgroup name in the "Member of" group box.
>>
>> In the SBS machine, there is no way to do that.
>>
>> How can I make both the systems to be on the same workgroup?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> "Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
>>
>>> DC = Domain Controller. A specially-configured server. Among other
>>> things,
>>> it stores system-wide user account information, authenticates users and
>>> enforces security policies for a Windows domain.
>>>
>>> AD = Active Directory. A network service that identifies all resources
>>> on a
>>> network and makes them accessible to users and applications. Resources
>>> include e-mail addresses, computers, and peripheral devices such as
>>> printers.
>>>
>>> Out of the box, SBS 2003 is installed as a Domain Controller. Your
>>> existing
>>> workstations (and "workgroup" servers, if you have any) are then joined
>>> to
>>> that "domain".
>>>
>>> I'm curious as to what you expected when you bought SBS 2003 and what
>>> you
>>> really wanted to accomplish with it. Could you please explain a little
>>> more
>>> about your situation and present network setup (workstations, servers,
>>> routers, etc.)?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
>>> ===================================
>>>
>>> "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com...
>>> > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain.
>>> > What does DC and AD mean in
>>> > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain"
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com,
>>> >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>>> >> > I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a
>>> >> > workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and
>>> >> > clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers
>>> >> > cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be
>>> >> > demoted.
>>> >>
>>> >> That's right.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is
>>> >> > disabled.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like
>>> >> this.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > How do I join a workgroup domain?
>>> >>
>>> >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a
>>> >> domain.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks.
>>> >>
>>> >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup. You
>>> >> have
>>> >> to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all sorts of
>>> >> other
>>> >> rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading on what it is
>>> >> you've
>>> >> bought & installed before you poke around in it any further.... :)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>


From: Sat on 23 Jul 2006 20:34
Thank you for the quick and informative responses.

Is it mandatory that the SBS 2003 has to be connected to the internet?

Which one of the following is correct?

1. Win XP --> hub
SBS --> hub
hub --> Internet

Both WinXP machine and the SBS are connected to the internet thru the hub.

2. WinXP <-->SBS. Both of them are interconnected thru LAN, but not to the
internet.

Thanks.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

>
>
> In news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com,
> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain.
>
> OK. You can't use SBS in a workgroup. Meaning, it has to be a domain
> controller, in its own AD domain.
>
> > What does DC and AD mean in
> > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain"
>
> I think Merv answered these pretty well....and again, if you bought SBS 2003
> thinking you could use it in your non-AD environment as a regular server,
> I'm afraid you bought the wrong product.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com,
> >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> >>> I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a
> >>> workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and
> >>> clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers
> >>> cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be
> >>> demoted.
> >>
> >> That's right.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is
> >>> disabled.
> >>
> >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like
> >> this.
> >>>
> >>> How do I join a workgroup domain?
> >>
> >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a
> >> domain.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>
> >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup.
> >> You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all
> >> sorts of other rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading
> >> on what it is you've bought & installed before you poke around in it
> >> any further.... :)
>
>
>
From: Merv Porter [SBS-MVP] on 23 Jul 2006 21:03
It's pretty hard for SBS to do its job (and keep the server updated) without
an internet connection.

Is there 1 NIC in the SBS or 2?

If 2 NIC, router, dynamic IP from your ISP:
http://www.smallbizserver.net/Articles/tabid/266/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/74/Two-Nics-a-dynamic-IP-address-ISA-and-a-router.aspx

If single NIC in the SBS, follow, the appropriate setup in:

How to configure Internet access in Windows Small Business Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;825763

Turn off DHCP on the router first and let SBS handle DHCP for your network.

--
Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
===================================
"Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2065D319-79B8-4E9F-A4F7-993065A97D2A(a)microsoft.com...
> Thank you for the quick and informative responses.
>
> Is it mandatory that the SBS 2003 has to be connected to the internet?
>
> Which one of the following is correct?
>
> 1. Win XP --> hub
> SBS --> hub
> hub --> Internet
>
> Both WinXP machine and the SBS are connected to the internet thru the
> hub.
>
> 2. WinXP <-->SBS. Both of them are interconnected thru LAN, but not to
> the
> internet.
>
> Thanks.
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com,
>> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>> > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain.
>>
>> OK. You can't use SBS in a workgroup. Meaning, it has to be a domain
>> controller, in its own AD domain.
>>
>> > What does DC and AD mean in
>> > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain"
>>
>> I think Merv answered these pretty well....and again, if you bought SBS
>> 2003
>> thinking you could use it in your non-AD environment as a regular server,
>> I'm afraid you bought the wrong product.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com,
>> >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
>> >>> I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a
>> >>> workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and
>> >>> clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers
>> >>> cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be
>> >>> demoted.
>> >>
>> >> That's right.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is
>> >>> disabled.
>> >>
>> >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like
>> >> this.
>> >>>
>> >>> How do I join a workgroup domain?
>> >>
>> >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a
>> >> domain.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup.
>> >> You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all
>> >> sorts of other rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading
>> >> on what it is you've bought & installed before you poke around in it
>> >> any further.... :)
>>
>>
>>


From: Sat on 24 Jul 2006 16:29
I created a user account in the SBS 2003.
The SBS and the client (Win XP prof) are connected thru LAN.
Both of the systems are not connected to the internet.

I logged onto the client and browsed to http://servername/connectcomputer
I got the Network configuration page and clicked on "Connect to network now"
After entering the user name and password, I get this error message:

The list of users and computers cannot be found. Before you continue,
ensure that the client computer has a wired network connection. Also, if you
have a router performing DHCP services on your network, verify that the
router is configured to use the computer running SBS as the primary DNS
server. For more information about router configuration settings, see
Appendix C of "Getting Started" at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=34392.

I do not have a router. I have the SBS and the WinXP connected thru a
cable. Both the systems recognize each other.

Can you please assist me what the problem is?

Thanks.

"Merv Porter [SBS-MVP]" wrote:

> It's pretty hard for SBS to do its job (and keep the server updated) without
> an internet connection.
>
> Is there 1 NIC in the SBS or 2?
>
> If 2 NIC, router, dynamic IP from your ISP:
> http://www.smallbizserver.net/Articles/tabid/266/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/74/Two-Nics-a-dynamic-IP-address-ISA-and-a-router.aspx
>
> If single NIC in the SBS, follow, the appropriate setup in:
>
> How to configure Internet access in Windows Small Business Server 2003
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;825763
>
> Turn off DHCP on the router first and let SBS handle DHCP for your network.
>
> --
> Merv Porter [SBS MVP]
> ===================================
> "Sat" <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2065D319-79B8-4E9F-A4F7-993065A97D2A(a)microsoft.com...
> > Thank you for the quick and informative responses.
> >
> > Is it mandatory that the SBS 2003 has to be connected to the internet?
> >
> > Which one of the following is correct?
> >
> > 1. Win XP --> hub
> > SBS --> hub
> > hub --> Internet
> >
> > Both WinXP machine and the SBS are connected to the internet thru the
> > hub.
> >
> > 2. WinXP <-->SBS. Both of them are interconnected thru LAN, but not to
> > the
> > internet.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In news:B35C41C8-75AD-4547-BDD7-641D7F0C10E0(a)microsoft.com,
> >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> >> > Sorry, I meant Workgroup, not workgroup domain.
> >>
> >> OK. You can't use SBS in a workgroup. Meaning, it has to be a domain
> >> controller, in its own AD domain.
> >>
> >> > What does DC and AD mean in
> >> > "You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain"
> >>
> >> I think Merv answered these pretty well....and again, if you bought SBS
> >> 2003
> >> thinking you could use it in your non-AD environment as a regular server,
> >> I'm afraid you bought the wrong product.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> In news:B16BCE86-4401-4B37-B49F-FDF25F8947B7(a)microsoft.com,
> >> >> Sat <Sat(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> >> >>> I installed Windows Small Business Server 2003. Inorder to join a
> >> >>> workgroup domain, I went to System Properties --> Computer Name and
> >> >>> clicked on change. It showed a dialog that the domain controllers
> >> >>> cannot be moved from one domain to another, they must first be
> >> >>> demoted.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's right.
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In the computer name changes page, the "Member of" group box is
> >> >>> disabled.
> >> >>
> >> >> You can't change the name or domain membership of your server like
> >> >> this.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> How do I join a workgroup domain?
> >> >>
> >> >> There's no such thing. Either you're in a workgroup, or you're in a
> >> >> domain.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> What is it you're trying to do? You can't use SBS in a workgroup.
> >> >> You have to use it as a DC, in its own AD domain, and there are all
> >> >> sorts of other rules. Sounds like you might need to do some reading
> >> >> on what it is you've bought & installed before you poke around in it
> >> >> any further.... :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
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