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From: Jim Kalb on 10 Apr 2010 09:03
>>>>> "john(a)wex" == john(a)wexfordpress com <john(a)wexfordpress.com> writes:

john(a)wex> I ask the
john(a)wex> general question, what GUI do you currently run? And
john(a)wex> why?

fvwm. No bloat, and you can set up everything exactly the way you
want.

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Jim Kalb
http://jimkalb.com
From: Nico Kadel-Garcia on 10 Apr 2010 14:45
On Apr 10, 8:56 am, TJ <T...(a)noneofyour.business> wrote:
> On 04/09/2010 11:00 PM, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
> > On alt.os.linux.slackware, j...(a)wexfordpress.com<j...(a)wexfordpress.com>  wrote:
> >> My reaction to KDE4 was so negative that after a decade or more of use
> >> of KDE I switched to XFCE. But others obviously have other views. So I
> >> ask the general question, what GUI do you currently run? And why?
>
> >> John Culleton
>
> John, I reply through Sid's post because I'm seeing it on
> comp.os.linux.misc, obviously *not* where you made your original post. I
> use KDE4, through Mandriva. I didn't care for KDE4 at first, either. The
> early version seemed buggy and clunky, and I didn't have the hardware to
> use it properly. But after boosting my RAM from 512MB to 2GB and getting
> a better video card, it was OK. The newer versions have smoothed out a
> lot of the things that annoyed me before, too. And like any new thing,
> it just plain took some getting used to.
>
> That said, it wouldn't break my heart if the folks that do KDE continued
> to develop a KDE3-like interface in parallel with KDE4, for those with
> lesser hardware who want to use it, or those who just like the old one
> better.

As we've found with other projects in the past, this is *very* painful
to do and can waste incredible amounts of effort backporting and
forward porting and generally duplicating work. In theory, it could be
forked, but the Qt/GPL licensing on it makes that trickier than it
would be for Gnome. For some idea of the amount of work, take a look
at the problems supporting KDE in a Gnome shop, or the problems of
supporting both Samba 3.x and the new 4.x code tree.

I've generally preferred to install Gnome, which is the RHEL and
Fedora default and started out with cleaner licensing, and install KDE
components as desired (such as Konqueror).
From: Chick Tower on 10 Apr 2010 15:40
On 2010-04-09, john(a)wexfordpress.com <john(a)wexfordpress.com> wrote:
> My reaction to KDE4 was so negative that after a decade or more of use
> of KDE I switched to XFCE. But others obviously have other views. So I
> ask the general question, what GUI do you currently run? And why?

I, too, found KDE4 less useful than KDE3.5 was, John, even with strigi,
Akonadi, and nepomuk disabled. I became especially disenchanted when,
in researching Akonadi and how to kill it, I found some information on
the future plans for Akonadi. I could well have misinterpreted it, but
it appears Akonadi is a database that right now they use to store your
KMail addressbook and messages, and KOrganizer information. In the
future, they want to store all data files in Akonadi. It sounded to me
like they want to make the Windows registry seem benign by comparison.
So I decided to explore Fluxbox and Xfce, rather than submit to their
plans for forcing the use of Akonadi in future KDE releases.

I like the speed of Fluxbox a lot. It starts up on my old,
underpowered (but still my best) PCs in two or three seconds. It's easy
to customize the menu and appearance, too. It isn't as polished as KDE
or Xfce, but I could live with that. However, I miss having mouse
acceleration. ***If anyone knows how to do that in Fluxbox, or X overall,
I would appreciate hearing about it.***

I'm using Xfce for now. It seems slow to start up after using Fluxbox,
but it beats KDE4. Once I figured out how to get rid of that insipid
light-blue color scheme, it was much more tolerable. I never cared much
for Konqueror, but Thunar is more like what I want a file manager to be.
I mostly use Midnight Commander for that, though.
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From: TJ on 10 Apr 2010 20:37
On 04/10/2010 02:45 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Apr 10, 8:56 am, TJ<T...(a)noneofyour.business> wrote:
>> On 04/09/2010 11:00 PM, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>>
>>> On alt.os.linux.slackware, j...(a)wexfordpress.com<j...(a)wexfordpress.com> wrote:
>>>> My reaction to KDE4 was so negative that after a decade or more of use
>>>> of KDE I switched to XFCE. But others obviously have other views. So I
>>>> ask the general question, what GUI do you currently run? And why?
>>
>>>> John Culleton
>>
>> John, I reply through Sid's post because I'm seeing it on
>> comp.os.linux.misc, obviously *not* where you made your original post. I
>> use KDE4, through Mandriva. I didn't care for KDE4 at first, either. The
>> early version seemed buggy and clunky, and I didn't have the hardware to
>> use it properly. But after boosting my RAM from 512MB to 2GB and getting
>> a better video card, it was OK. The newer versions have smoothed out a
>> lot of the things that annoyed me before, too. And like any new thing,
>> it just plain took some getting used to.
>>
>> That said, it wouldn't break my heart if the folks that do KDE continued
>> to develop a KDE3-like interface in parallel with KDE4, for those with
>> lesser hardware who want to use it, or those who just like the old one
>> better.
>
> As we've found with other projects in the past, this is *very* painful
> to do and can waste incredible amounts of effort backporting and
> forward porting and generally duplicating work. In theory, it could be
> forked, but the Qt/GPL licensing on it makes that trickier than it
> would be for Gnome. For some idea of the amount of work, take a look
> at the problems supporting KDE in a Gnome shop, or the problems of
> supporting both Samba 3.x and the new 4.x code tree.
>
> I've generally preferred to install Gnome, which is the RHEL and
> Fedora default and started out with cleaner licensing, and install KDE
> components as desired (such as Konqueror).

<shrug> OK. It was just a thought. If it isn't worth the trouble, it
isn't worth the trouble.

I've pretty much always used Mandrake/Mandriva, and KDE is the default
there. I've used Gnome a time or two - didn't care for it, though I
could get used to it if necessary.

To each his own.

TJ
--
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
From: tapp on 11 Apr 2010 10:50
Chick Tower <c.tower(a)deadspam.com> [Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:40:08 +0000]

> However, I miss having mouse acceleration.
> ***If anyone knows how to do that in Fluxbox, or X overall, I would
> appreciate hearing about it.***

I'm not sure this is really you're asking about, but well: you can control
mouse acceleration in all X based WMs with "xset m a t", with a =
acceleration and t = pixel treshold.

Try "xset m 2 0" (immediate medium acc.), "xset m 4 4" (delayed strong
acc.), "xset 1 0" (no acc.).
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