From: Hammy on
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:17:35 +0100, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:


>> Municipalities in northern climates that converted to LED traffic
>> lights are having to send work crews out to de-ice them. The LED's
>> don't radiate enough heat to de-ice themselves.
>
>This seems unlikely. LED traffic lights are efficient but to that extent
>there is still enough waste heat at least in the UK up to latitude 55N.
>It must take exceptional conditions for snow to accumulate on them.
>
>In the US there is already a fairly simple piece of bent metal solution
>for wind blown snow clogging up the sun visor cowling.
>
>http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/7/1/4
>
>Regards,
>Martin Brown

I seen it on a US news station a few months ago. They showed crews out
hacking the encrusted ice off the lights during a blizzard (wet snow).
As to the frequency that this occurs and under what specific weather
conditions I don't know but it defiantly does happen and has.

I seen this a few months ago but I seem to recall it had happened
enough that the city/town the story was in was considering changing
back.

But who knows media likes to over dramatize.

From: PovTruffe on
Just one thought: why did not they design traffic lights with RGB LEDs ?
They should be much cheaper with a single lamp.
However we are all so used to 3 lamp traffic lights...


From: Phil Hobbs on
On 4/15/2010 7:56 AM, Hammy wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:17:35 +0100, Martin Brown
> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>> Municipalities in northern climates that converted to LED traffic
>>> lights are having to send work crews out to de-ice them. The LED's
>>> don't radiate enough heat to de-ice themselves.
>>
>> This seems unlikely. LED traffic lights are efficient but to that extent
>> there is still enough waste heat at least in the UK up to latitude 55N.
>> It must take exceptional conditions for snow to accumulate on them.
>>
>> In the US there is already a fairly simple piece of bent metal solution
>> for wind blown snow clogging up the sun visor cowling.
>>
>> http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/7/1/4
>>
>> Regards,
>> Martin Brown
>
> I seen it on a US news station a few months ago. They showed crews out
> hacking the encrusted ice off the lights during a blizzard (wet snow).
> As to the frequency that this occurs and under what specific weather
> conditions I don't know but it defiantly does happen and has.
>
> I seen this a few months ago but I seem to recall it had happened
> enough that the city/town the story was in was considering changing
> back.
>
> But who knows media likes to over dramatize.
>

Yup. At the end of Feb we had a nor'easter here, with 2 feet of very
wet snow and 50-mph winds. It broke a great many trees from the snow
load, and left the branches and the wires looking like cat tails--coated
with a cylindrical blanket of snow, about the same thickness all round.
I'd have noticed the traffic lights except that all the power was
out. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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From: GregS on
In article <4BC71827.1020002(a)electrooptical.net>, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless(a)electrooptical.net> wrote:
>On 4/15/2010 7:56 AM, Hammy wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:17:35 +0100, Martin Brown
>> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Municipalities in northern climates that converted to LED traffic
>>>> lights are having to send work crews out to de-ice them. The LED's
>>>> don't radiate enough heat to de-ice themselves.
>>>
>>> This seems unlikely. LED traffic lights are efficient but to that extent
>>> there is still enough waste heat at least in the UK up to latitude 55N.
>>> It must take exceptional conditions for snow to accumulate on them.
>>>
>>> In the US there is already a fairly simple piece of bent metal solution
>>> for wind blown snow clogging up the sun visor cowling.
>>>
>>> http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/7/1/4
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Martin Brown
>>
>> I seen it on a US news station a few months ago. They showed crews out
>> hacking the encrusted ice off the lights during a blizzard (wet snow).
>> As to the frequency that this occurs and under what specific weather
>> conditions I don't know but it defiantly does happen and has.
>>
>> I seen this a few months ago but I seem to recall it had happened
>> enough that the city/town the story was in was considering changing
>> back.
>>
>> But who knows media likes to over dramatize.
>>
>
>Yup. At the end of Feb we had a nor'easter here, with 2 feet of very
>wet snow and 50-mph winds. It broke a great many trees from the snow
>load, and left the branches and the wires looking like cat tails--coated
>with a cylindrical blanket of snow, about the same thickness all round.
> I'd have noticed the traffic lights except that all the power was
>out. ;

We lost power for 3 days. My in house emergency led lighting is very nice.
i'm still working with it. I aquired a new portable TV also.
My led lights stay on all the time is select locations, but they also add
to the house lighting effects, like under cabinets, etc.

greg

From: mrjb1929 on
Wow did this thread take an interesting direction. I will say that it has
provided some very interesting reading. Not only about my problem but
CFL's and LED's and potential banning of Incandescents.

After reading some of the responses to my problem, I suspected one LED bulb
in particular. I have it lighting the interior of my garage but tied to
the same low voltage landscape system. This one in particular was a 10
Watt LED bulb (not 10 watt equivilant, but an actual 10 watt bulb). It is
extremely bright which is what I wanted, but suspect there is no filtering.
I did recall something quirky when I first plugged it in, but I blew it
off at the time.

Fortunately, it was the easiest one to disconnect and test the RF issues
with the remote. So far, the Opener Remotes are working normal, but we are
monitoring them to see if this really is the problem.

Great conversation... glad I inspired "fodder for thought".
Later,
Jerome

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