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From: Eeyore on 24 Nov 2008 06:54 Joe Kotroczo wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Joe Kotroczo wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: > >>>> "Eeyore" wrote: > >>>>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: > >>>>>> "Bob Howes" <bob.howes(a)bee-tee-internet.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To Phildo I'd say "don't give up on the LS9 just yet". I've mixed on > >>>>>>> one quite a few times and, provided I can set it up to MY tastes it's > >>>>>>> quite a nice little mixer that I enjoy using. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How do you set it up to your tastes if all the time you have to do it is > >>>>>> a 15 minute soundcheck? > >>>>> > >>>>> As much as FIFTEEN minutes ? I did 6 bands one evening. I doubt the > >>>>> audience would have been happy with that. > >>>> > >>>> Huh? You doubt that the audience would have been happy with you doing 6 > >>>> bands one evening? Or what? > >>> > >>> Since many didn't turn up til late (they are musicians after all) I doubt > >>> the audience would be happy with 15 min intervals. They got what they got. > >> > >> Where did I say anything about INTERVALS? Soundcheck is what you do BEFORE > >> the audience gets let in. > > > > With SIX bands all consisting of MUSICIANS ? Yeah I got about 3 checked. > > > > This was flying by the seat of your pants work. > > It's amazing Graham how you get into a thread about something and twist it > to make it a thread about you. This time, you twisted the thread from "how > to set up a LS9 quickly" to "Graham mixes 6 bands in one evening". I suppose you'd prefer it to be about you ? Or Phildo, or George. Beware of catching Phildo's illness. You're showing distinct signs. Graham
From: Arny Krueger on 24 Nov 2008 07:12 "liquidator" <mikeh(a)mad.scientist.com> wrote in message news:ggd78p$r7n$1(a)aioe.org > I'm pretty much a jerk either way. I call them as I see > them, and may not always see straight. Then you do know yourself to at least a limited degree. :-(
From: Arny Krueger on 24 Nov 2008 07:22 "Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote in message news:C54F97B2.6FA9B%kotroczo(a)mac.com > On 23/11/08 11:20, in article > 49293C70.B5C7120A(a)hotmail.com, "Eeyore" > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>> "Eeyore" wrote: >>>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>>>> "Bob Howes" <bob.howes(a)bee-tee-internet.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> To Phildo I'd say "don't give up on the LS9 just >>>>>> yet". I've mixed on one quite a few times and, >>>>>> provided I can set it up to MY tastes it's quite a >>>>>> nice little mixer that I enjoy using. >>> >>>>> How do you set it up to your tastes if all the time >>>>> you have to do it is a 15 minute soundcheck? If you know what you're doing, you get the console set up to your preferences *before* the first band shows up, before the first sound check with any band. You make a quick guess about what the maximum configuration is going to be, and figure out how to map that into the available inputs. In the case of a digital console that needs to use layers to do the job, you map the maximum expected config into the available layers. >>>> As much as FIFTEEN minutes ? I did 6 bands one >>>> evening. I doubt the audience would have been happy >>>> with that. >>> Huh? You doubt that the audience would have been happy >>> with you doing 6 bands one evening? Or what? >> >> Since many didn't turn up til late (they are musicians >> after all) I doubt the audience would be happy with 15 >> min intervals. They got what they got. > Where did I say anything about INTERVALS? Soundcheck is > what you do BEFORE the audience gets let in. Sounds like this was a "battle of the bands" or festival type situation with zero rehearsals and zero sound checks.
From: Joe Kotroczo on 24 Nov 2008 08:03 On 24/11/08 11:54, in article 492A95FF.8068DF9B(a)hotmail.com, "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Joe Kotroczo wrote: > >> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>>>>> "Eeyore" wrote: >>>>>>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>>>>>>> "Bob Howes" <bob.howes(a)bee-tee-internet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To Phildo I'd say "don't give up on the LS9 just yet". I've mixed on >>>>>>>>> one quite a few times and, provided I can set it up to MY tastes it's >>>>>>>>> quite a nice little mixer that I enjoy using. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you set it up to your tastes if all the time you have to do it >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> a 15 minute soundcheck? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As much as FIFTEEN minutes ? I did 6 bands one evening. I doubt the >>>>>>> audience would have been happy with that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Huh? You doubt that the audience would have been happy with you doing 6 >>>>>> bands one evening? Or what? >>>>> >>>>> Since many didn't turn up til late (they are musicians after all) I doubt >>>>> the audience would be happy with 15 min intervals. They got what they got. >>>> >>>> Where did I say anything about INTERVALS? Soundcheck is what you do BEFORE >>>> the audience gets let in. >>> >>> With SIX bands all consisting of MUSICIANS ? Yeah I got about 3 checked. >>> >>> This was flying by the seat of your pants work. >> >> It's amazing Graham how you get into a thread about something and twist it >> to make it a thread about you. This time, you twisted the thread from "how >> to set up a LS9 quickly" to "Graham mixes 6 bands in one evening". > > I suppose you'd prefer it to be about you ? Or Phildo, or George. > > Beware of catching Phildo's illness. You're showing distinct signs. I'd have preferred it to be about the LS9, which I believe is what we where discussing. -- Joe Kotroczo kotroczo(a)mac.com
From: Eeyore on 24 Nov 2008 09:18
Arny Krueger wrote: > "Joe Kotroczo" <kotroczo(a)mac.com> wrote > > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Joe Kotroczo wrote: > >>> "Eeyore" wrote: > >>>> Joe Kotroczo wrote: > >>>>> "Bob Howes" <bob.howes(a)bee-tee-internet.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To Phildo I'd say "don't give up on the LS9 just > >>>>>> yet". I've mixed on one quite a few times and, > >>>>>> provided I can set it up to MY tastes it's quite a > >>>>>> nice little mixer that I enjoy using. > >>> > >>>>> How do you set it up to your tastes if all the time > >>>>> you have to do it is a 15 minute soundcheck? > > If you know what you're doing, you get the console set up to your > preferences *before* the first band shows up, before the first sound check > with any band. > > You make a quick guess about what the maximum configuration is going to be, > and figure out how to map that into the available inputs. In the case of a > digital console that needs to use layers to do the job, you map the maximum > expected config into the available layers. > > >>>> As much as FIFTEEN minutes ? I did 6 bands one > >>>> evening. I doubt the audience would have been happy > >>>> with that. > > >>> Huh? You doubt that the audience would have been happy > >>> with you doing 6 bands one evening? Or what? > >> > >> Since many didn't turn up til late (they are musicians > >> after all) I doubt the audience would be happy with 15 > >> min intervals. They got what they got. > > > Where did I say anything about INTERVALS? Soundcheck is > > what you do BEFORE the audience gets let in. > > Sounds like this was a "battle of the bands" or festival type situation with > zero rehearsals and zero sound checks. That kind of thing. And you know how uncooperative musicians can be ! Especially lead guitarists. I taugh one a lesson once. During a soundcheck between songs I turned up his level in a nearby monitor just a 'little bit'. I've never seen anyone move so fast ! He turned down after that. Graham |