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From: 0junk4me on 29 Nov 2008 12:35 On 2008-11-29 bmoas(a)yahoo.com said: >>> Totally avoidable with IEC 60309 connectors. >>> http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/PDF/technical/COMMANDO_prod.pdf >>> Impossible to mis-mate different voltages. Available in >>>splashproof and watertight version. Single and 3 phase. >> and godawful expensive. Have never seen one of these. >> If I had a big, portable distribution panel that I frequently >>hauled out into a hotel ballroom or convention hall I could see >>using an IEC60309, and I've seen a few of 'em in the US, but they >>usually have an adapter that ends in camlocks, if they don't have >camlocks in the first place. My remote truck has camlocks, can handle 3 phase or 240 vac, switchable for whichever is offered at the truck. >Camlocs and tails is how its done. from county fairs to festivals >to one off at the college multi use room THat's what I've known for years. STill, if these connectors are as foolproof as advertised (can't do pdf here and have never physically encountered them) I would think some would be adopting them. HOw many folks in the u.S. are seeing these anywhere? Richard webb, replace anything before at with elspider "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --- Benjamin Franklin, NOvember 1755 from the Historical review of Pennsylvania
From: George's Pro Sound Company on 29 Nov 2008 13:12 <0junk4me(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:j3fYk.1710$n_5.1000(a)bignews7.bellsouth.net... > > On 2008-11-29 bmoas(a)yahoo.com said: > >>> Totally avoidable with IEC 60309 connectors. > >>> http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/PDF/technical/COMMANDO_prod.pdf > >>> Impossible to mis-mate different voltages. Available in > >>>splashproof and watertight version. Single and 3 phase. > >> and godawful expensive. > Have never seen one of these. > >> If I had a big, portable distribution panel that I frequently > >>hauled out into a hotel ballroom or convention hall I could see > >>using an IEC60309, and I've seen a few of 'em in the US, but they > >>usually have an adapter that ends in camlocks, if they don't have > >camlocks in the first place. > My remote truck has camlocks, can handle 3 phase or 240 vac, > switchable for whichever is offered at the truck. > > >Camlocs and tails is how its done. from county fairs to festivals > >to one off at the college multi use room > THat's what I've known for years. STill, if these > connectors are as foolproof as advertised (can't do pdf here > and have never physically encountered them) I would think > some would be adopting them. > > HOw many folks in the u.S. are seeing these anywhere? > The local college has them,(ip67) about 1000 USd for a mateing pair, and they are NOT rugged, several of the colleges are outof service haveing broken sleeves and or broken locking rings and the mating is so tight it often takes three people to do it the look like a great solution, aside from the cost and the fact they break on a regular basis so the short of it is they are junk I would NEVER base a touring PD around these POS things Ok for convention centers with unlimited budgets and idiots doing the power drops, but as a day in day out connector they suck rotten eggs George
From: Eeyore on 29 Nov 2008 13:16 liquidator wrote: > We don't send yiou guys 120 volt stuff then whine it doesn't sell. Since only 12% of the world population doesn't use 220-240V it would be rather silly after all. Graham
From: Eeyore on 29 Nov 2008 13:25 0junk4me(a)bellsouth.net wrote: > On 2008-11-29 bmoas(a)yahoo.com said: > >>> Totally avoidable with IEC 60309 connectors. > >>> http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/PDF/technical/COMMANDO_prod.pdf > >>> Impossible to mis-mate different voltages. Available in > >>>splashproof and watertight version. Single and 3 phase. > >> and godawful expensive. > Have never seen one of these. > >> If I had a big, portable distribution panel that I frequently > >>hauled out into a hotel ballroom or convention hall I could see > >>using an IEC60309, and I've seen a few of 'em in the US, but they > >>usually have an adapter that ends in camlocks, if they don't have > >camlocks in the first place. > My remote truck has camlocks, can handle 3 phase or 240 vac, > switchable for whichever is offered at the truck. > > >Camlocs and tails is how its done. from county fairs to festivals > >to one off at the college multi use room > THat's what I've known for years. STill, if these > connectors are as foolproof as advertised (can't do pdf here > and have never physically encountered them) There's a short mention of them here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_multiphase_power_plugs_and_sockets#Europe-wide_IEC_60309_system > I would think some would be adopting them. > > HOw many folks in the u.S. are seeing these anywhere? Did G Watts say he had ? Since it's an International Standard I'd expect to see creeping adoption everywhere. I think China has adopted them too. Nice features ..... "Voltage is represented by a color code (in three-phase plugs the stated voltage is the phase-phase voltage, not the phase-neutral voltage). The different voltages have the earth pin of a larger diameter than the others, and located in different places depending on the voltage rating, making it impossible to mate, for instance, a blue plug with a yellow socket. Since the different current ratings have different overall sizes, it is also not possible to mate different pin configurations or current ratings. For example, a 16 A 3P+E 400 V plug will not mate with a 16 A 3P+N+E 400 V socket and a 16 A 2P+E 230 V plug will not mate with a 32 A 2P+E 230 V socket." So you simply CANNOT misconnect and no electrician is required to connect your tails to the panel. They're commonly called Ceeforms btw. Cee pronounced 'sea'. Graham
From: liquidator on 29 Nov 2008 13:32
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:49318710.14692AD0(a)hotmail.com... > > > liquidator wrote: > > > We don't send yiou guys 120 volt stuff then whine it doesn't sell. > > Since only 12% of the world population doesn't use 220-240V it would be rather > silly after all. > > Graham > Just as silly as a British company building a product that doesn't suit the US, or any other, market. Companies that do not deal with reality go bankrupt... |