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From: Eeyore on 29 Nov 2008 13:33 George's Pro Sound Company wrote: > <0junk4me(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > On 2008-11-29 bmoas(a)yahoo.com said: > > >>> Totally avoidable with IEC 60309 connectors. > > >>> http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/PDF/technical/COMMANDO_prod.pdf > > >>> Impossible to mis-mate different voltages. Available in > > >>>splashproof and watertight version. Single and 3 phase. > > >> and godawful expensive. > > Have never seen one of these. > > >> If I had a big, portable distribution panel that I frequently > > >>hauled out into a hotel ballroom or convention hall I could see > > >>using an IEC60309, and I've seen a few of 'em in the US, but they > > >>usually have an adapter that ends in camlocks, if they don't have > > >camlocks in the first place. > > My remote truck has camlocks, can handle 3 phase or 240 vac, > > switchable for whichever is offered at the truck. > > > > >Camlocs and tails is how its done. from county fairs to festivals > > >to one off at the college multi use room > > THat's what I've known for years. STill, if these > > connectors are as foolproof as advertised (can't do pdf here > > and have never physically encountered them) I would think > > some would be adopting them. > > > > HOw many folks in the u.S. are seeing these anywhere? > > > The local college has them,(ip67) about 1000 USd for a mateing pair, and > they are NOT rugged, several of the colleges are outof service haveing > broken sleeves and or broken locking rings > and the mating is so tight it often takes three people to do it > the look like a great solution, aside from the cost and the fact they break > on a regular basis > so the short of it is they are junk > I would NEVER base a touring PD around these POS things > > Ok for convention centers with unlimited budgets and idiots doing the power > drops, but as a day in day out connector they suck rotten eggs The 32A 240V single phase plug and socket used for the local venue's amp rack costs peanuts. http://uk.farnell.com/ceenorm/11949/socket-surf-mt-32a-240v-2p-e-way/dp/1212802 http://uk.farnell.com/ceenorm/210096/plug-32a-240v-2p-e-way/dp/1212798 And Farnell isn't the cheapest supplier. Not bad for a 7.5kW connection I reckon. A pair of these is good for 22kW of 3 phase. http://uk.farnell.com/ceenorm/11962/socket-surf-mt-32a-415v-3p-n-e/dp/1212807 http://uk.farnell.com/ceenorm/212002/plug-32a-415v-3p-n-e-way/dp/1212805 No danger of getting phases mixed up either. Graham
From: George's Pro Sound Company on 29 Nov 2008 13:36 "liquidator" <mikeh(a)mad.scientist.com> wrote in message news:ggs1se$sed$1(a)aioe.org... > > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:49318710.14692AD0(a)hotmail.com... >> >> >> liquidator wrote: >> >> > We don't send yiou guys 120 volt stuff then whine it doesn't sell. >> >> Since only 12% of the world population doesn't use 220-240V it would be > rather >> silly after all. >> >> Graham >> > > Just as silly as a British company building a product that doesn't suit > the > US, or any other, market. > > Companies that do not deal with reality go bankrupt... Humm I have not seen a 240 version of the studiomasters in the USA well EVER could it be that eyesore speaks with a forked tounge? he insists that everything must be 240 yet the consoles he designed for the USA market are all 120 what's up with that? george > >
From: Eeyore on 29 Nov 2008 13:39 liquidator wrote: > "Eeyore" wrote in message > > 50 bucks or whatever in pounds says my PC is 110 volt 5 rears from now. 50 bucks that it conforms to IEC60950 ! Probably today. The official voltage is 120 btw. But I hardly expect that to change in the home overnight. Enjoy being in that 10% or so that use ~ 120V (Japan for arcane reasons is 100V). Graham
From: liquidator on 29 Nov 2008 13:41 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:49317ACF.F6DE1AD8(a)hotmail.com... > > > liquidator wrote: > > > The discussion was about a 240 mixer being a bad idea for the US market. It > > is, and Graham keeps on about we should change our electrical system to suit > > him. > > It would be sensible for the USA ! > I just thimk an intelligent but way overly intellectual B5rit is not the best person to decide what is best for the USA. Why don't you try to keep a British car manufacturer alive? What have we, Rolls is BMW, Ford sold Jaguar to the India folks, maybe they will have Studiomaster car stereos.. Don't get me wrong, I love my old MG. Doesn't run at the moment and spares cost dearly, but I love it. Kinda reminds me of women I knew with a lot of issues, at least they weren't boring. But I do remember lots of discussions that came to either the Italians or British making the worlds worst electrics... My old Ducati was a bad as Lucas electrics were...
From: Eeyore on 29 Nov 2008 13:44
liquidator wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > > liquidator wrote: > > > > > We don't send yiou guys 120 volt stuff then whine it doesn't sell. > > > > Since only 12% of the world population doesn't use 220-240V it would be > > rather silly after all. > > Just as silly as a British company building a product that doesn't suit the > US, or any other, market. Just the US market I expect. Since there is no console that matches George's description on the Cadac site I couldn't even begin to comment on power consumption. Incidentally all their products use a letter prefix plus 'series' which doesn't tie up either. Graham |