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From: PeoplesChoice on 12 Jul 2010 09:24 On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:12:06 -0600, "peter" <peter(a)nowhere.net> wrote: Glad you're not upset - I didn't mean to sound sarcastic - but I think I did. I know you're one of the guys that's trying to help me and I appreciate it. Also, I AM learning from Paul and I also appreciate the effort he has gone to to be patient with me. I wish there was another way to do this. I have to rush this morning and I probably won't get to read the rest of your post until tomorrow. Got to take care of the Grandchildren. Thanks so much for your help. Bob >I am not upset >This industry moves so fast that by the time Paul finishes explaining it all >half of what he said would be obsolete.You need to decide what your going to >actually >use the system for 80% of the time and build accordingly. >A nice 1156 mobo with Sata3 and USB 3 >ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 2PCI SLI CrossFireX >USB3.0 SATA 6GB Motherboard >a nice CPU >Intel Core i7 860 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.8GHZ >Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box >Some decent RAM >G.SKILL F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO Eco PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL7-8-7-24 >1.35V Memory Kit >power >Seasonic M12 700W ATX12V V2.2 20/24PIN Active PFC Power Supply Retail Box >Case >Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Full Tower Gaming Case ATX 12 Drive Bay No PS Top >USB3.0 USB Audio >Video >MSI GeForce GTX 470 Fermi 607MHZ 1280MB 3348MHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDMI Video >Card >Hard Drive >Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual >Proc Hard Drive OEM >LCD Monitor >Acer S243HL Bmii 24IN Ultraslim Widescreen LCD Monitor 1920X1080 LED Backlit >8000000:1 2MS VGA 2HDMI > >now add a DVD or Blu-ray of your choice as well as set of decent 5.1 >speakers >if you wish add an Audio Card >and then the specific toys that you only play with the other 20% of the >time. > >peter > > > >If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate or >disruptive,please ignore it. If you dont know how to ignore a posting >complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :-) >wrote in message news:iqsk36dbl5anleubots5f9dlhpjt4lo3hi(a)4ax.com... > >On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:23:21 -0600, "peter" <peter(a)nowhere.net> wrote: > >>Look ...no offense intended but this tread could go one for months >>and by that time everything discussed would be obsolete. >>My suggestion would be to go to a Dell/Compaq website >>look for one of their "upscale" models and buy 2 >>or have Paul visit NewEgg put one together for you and send you the link >>peter >> >>Don't understand. You don't have to read it or even bother with it. What >>upsets you? >> >>If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate or >>disruptive,please ignore it. If you dont know how to ignore a posting >>complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :-) >>wrote in message news:60sj3693o1rrss7kr6c98po2jvv4063rip(a)4ax.com... >> >>On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:03:06 -0400, Paul <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote: >> >>>PeoplesChoice(a)Chicago.net wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I will probaly go with Intel - and the fastest one that will hold the >>>> most memory. I like to have a lot of apps open at the same time. Do >>>> you >>>> agree with my choice? >>> >>>Well, you compare the performance (using a benchmark web page) and the >>>price. >>>And then decide which one is right. >> >>What is a benchmarking web page? I'm REALLY NEW at this. >>> >>>>> Any processor socket, will have a limited life. The trend now, of >>>>> connecting >>>>> memory directly to the processor, plays a part. The memory industry >>>>> needs the >>>>> memory type to change every two years, to make money. >>>> >>>> S--T!!! I'm looking for upgradability. >>> >>>I can't predict how Intel will do things. It might depend on the economy, >>>as >>>to how fast things change. Obviously, they make more money from you, if >>>you >>>have to change everything. The Intel platform now, has a lot of Intel >>>parts >>>on it, like an Intel chipset. So they're getting money from the processor >>>purchase, and from the motherboard purchase. >>> >>>What happens to memory, is the price drops with time. By the time two >>>years has passed, the memory manufacturers are losing money. By >>>introducing >>>new memory, it means a premium price for the new memory, to help them stay >>>afloat. Due to the vast amount of production capacity they have, it is >>>easy for supply to outstrip demand. Only price-fixing can help them, >>>and if they get caught, they get big fines. >> >>OK, if these components become obsolete, do you think I can count on >>being able to upgrade the rig (especially the processor)? >> >>> >>>>> If you buy the right processor to start with, chances are you're not >>>>> going to need to upgrade it anyway. >>>> >>>> Good news! >>> >>>I think this is the right approach. Decide what you want this year's >>>solution >>>to look like, and live with that decision for a while. >> >>Sounds logical. >>> >>>>> The processor can have 1,2,3,4, or 6 cores, depending on socket and >>>>> manufacturer. You check the motherboard web site, for the "CPU >>>>> compatibility" list, >>>>> to make sure the processor you want to use, is supported. I also >>>>> like to check the list, to see if high power demanding processors >>>>> are supported, like 140W processors on AMD motherboards. Intel >>>>> ones might go to 130W. >>>>> >>>>> A top end AMD CPU, might be like this one. Some Intel processors, will >>>>> be >>>>> faster than this one. $295. You'd use an AM3 motherboard and some >>>>> DDR3 memory. >>>> >>>> At this time, can you tell me (within a ballpark) approximately what >>>> this >>>> baby will cost me? >>> >>>You can use the Newegg site to get approximate prices. And look at >>>other retailers, Frys or Tigerdirect, and comparison shop. The only >>>reason I cite Newegg in answers, is it is easier for me to look >>>stuff up there. You can buy the kit, wherever you want. $300 will buy >>>you a nice processor. $150 to $300 for a nice motherboard. If you have >>>money to burn, they always have a processor at the $1000 price point. >> >>I don't have money to burn, but I'm retired (because of the head pain) >>and my wife knows that computers are my 'hobby.' It's about all I can >>do. So, at least for this first time, I think I can get away with the >>'best'. After that, we'll see. ;) >>> >>>> Where do I go to check benchmarks? >>> >>>Try the http://www.tomshardware.com/charts , as they have different types. >>> >>>> >>>> USB3 is a must. I'd use it for backup. Is USB3 or SATA faster? >>> >>>http://www.nordichardware.com/index.php?option=com_content&catid=112&lang=en&view=article&id=20792 >>> >>>According to the table there, a properly connected USB3 storage device, >>>can manage 336MB/sec. A disk fast enough to handle that, would need a >>>SATA III interface. There are currently hard drives with SATA III >>>interfaces, >>>but the head to media speed is still in the 125MB/sec range. In other >>>words, >>>the platter is still the limiting factor on a regular hard drive. So if >>>you >>>connect any regular hard drive, via USB3, you get 125MB/sec roughly. >>> >>>Now, if you look here... >>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb3#USB_3.0 >>> >>> "A SuperSpeed (USB 3.0) rate of 4800 Mbit/s (~572 MB/s)" >>> >>>The 572 MB/sec is the cabling rate, the pnysical layer. The user won't see >>>that rate, due to the protocol overheads, and the way that the protocol >>>works. The same issue caused 60MB/sec USB2 to only deliver 30MB/sec. >>>In this case, the best estimate for USB3 is 336MB/sec out of 572MB/sec >>>on the cable. It may take a while, before devices achieve those rates. >>>It might even take an updated driver or two. Only time will tell. >>> >>>SATA III (and one supposes ESATA III) would be 600MB/sec theoretical, with >>>the >>>practical being perhaps 500MB/sec+. Again, being new technology, there is >>>room >>>for improvement in what you can buy today. >> >>What's the difference between SATA and ESATA? (NOTE: I may not >>understand everything you're telling me - but I'm learning a lot. Your >>style of writing for the purposes of teaching is EXCELLENT). >>> >>>>> Could have S/PDIF optical or coax, for digital connection to an AV >>>>> receiver (stereo). >>>> >>>> Still don't understand what part the computer plays in this. Could you >>>> explain please? >>> >>>A sound card has a couple of output types on it. Analog audio you already >>>understand. You >>>connect 1/8" stereo miniplugs, from one audio device to another. Each plug >>>has >>>two channels on it. Three plugs carry 5.1 for say, your movie theater >>>(Dolby) speaker >>>system. >>> >>>S/PDIF is a digital transmission method. It carries audio in digital >>>format. Either >>>a coax cable or an optical fiber, carry the signal. The method is >>>practically >>>limited to uncompressed stereo. But a second method called AC3 also >>>exists. >>>it >>>is a compressed/encoded format. A DVD movie for example, can have an AC3 >>>encoded >>>sound track. When you watch a movie, the AC3 sound track can be sent to >>>the >>>S/PDIF >>>cable directly. You can't even change the volume level of the signal, as >>>it >>>leaves >>>the computer. You use the volume knob on your stereo (AV receiver) to set >>>the volume. >>>That provides a way to get the signal from the movie, over to the >>>speakers, >>>without >>>changes to the signal. >>> >>>A third way to get audio (for computer sounds, music playback, movie >>>playback), >>>is via an HDMI cable. HDMI still doesn't have a lot of options on it, that >>>work. >>>There is some kind of multichannel, unencoded method used, that should be >>>plenty >>>for driving a theater speaker setup. So HDMI should be able to pass more >>>audio channels, >>>with less loss, than S/PDIF could. HDMI carries two signals. It can carry >>>video to >>>your HDTV, but it can also carry the audio for your movie playback. I >>>think >>>the >>>format of the digital signals is LPCM, which isn't compressed. >>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lpcm >>> >>> "Linear pulse code modulation is used by HDMI (defined in 2002), a >>> single-cable >>> digital audio/video connector interface for transmitting uncompressed >>> digital data." >>> >>>The only person who would be interested in S/PDIF, is someone who already >>>owns >>>an AV receiver with S/PDIF jacks on it. I don't have any gear like that >>>here, >>>and I've never, ever, used the S/PDIF outputs on my computers. If you >>>don't >>>have audio gear like that today, then perhaps your fancy TV set with HDMI >>>jack, is how you'll be doing it. But if the computer isn't connected to a >>>TV >>>set, you can always run 1/8" audio plugs to regular amplified computer >>>speakers. >>> >>>500W boom box :-) >> >>But why do I need a computer at all? The AV Receiver can do what's >>necessary, won't it? >>> >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121120 >>> >>>(three 1/8" jacks on the back of the console for 5.1 channel analog audio) >>> >>>http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/36-121-120-Z05?$S640W$ >>> >>>>> Could have ESATA for external hard drive. >>>> >>>> See above............ >>> >>>ESATA is plenty fast for any existing hard drive. USB3 will also meet that >>>criterion, once there are more USB3 hard drive enclosures available. If >>>you >>>buy this year, you'll be an "early adopter", meaning they may have >>>whatever >>>limitations the designers couldn't fix in time. >>> >>>>> (On the motherboard surface, there will be SATA II disk connectors >>>>> (3Gbit/sec), >>>>> while a few motherboards have SATA III at 6Gbit/sec. The latter will be >>>>> good some day, for SSD flash drives. SATA III wouldn't really help you >>>>> with >>>>> ordinary hard drives.) >>>> >>>> Don't understand why not. What's an SSD flash drive? >>> >>>It's the replacement for the hard drive, once the price comes down :-) >>>This one has a SATA III interface, and can read at 355MB/sec. That is >>>faster than USB3 flat out. And faster ones than this will come out soon. >>>I suspect they might make it to 500MB/sec. >>> >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148349 >>> >>>It is a "hard drive", with a SATA connector, but instead of a rotating >>>magnetic platter, it uses NAND Flash memory chips. You might find >>>chips on either side of the PCB. There is a controller chip, which >>>controls reading and writing to the chips, and it has multiple channels >>>for parallel operation. That is how it gets its speed. Access time is >>>0.1 milliseconds, and you can do thousands of operations per second. >>>These are a possible choice for your boot drive :-) Windows 7 supports >>>TRIM, and has some level of support for using these well. They also >>>work with other OSes, if you pamper them. If you have buckets of money, >>>you use one of these for your boot drive, and use a regular 1TB or larger >>>hard drive, for storing data files (like your movie collection). >>>SSDs are too expensive to use for archival storage. Your movies would be >>>pretty expensive to store on only these, and there'd be no point to >>>doing so. >>> >>>http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/CES/2010/Micron-RealSSD-C300/PCB.jpg >>> >>>In fact, it pays to do regular backups, of the SSD type drive, to a >>>magnetic >>>drive. Just in case... >> >>In case I haven't mentioned it yet, I do regular incremental backups on a >>LaCie USB2 external drive. Unfortunately, I can't remember which RAID >>configuration it has - but if one drive goes bad, the other will carry >>on. As you can tell. I'm not really into RAID yet. Don't understand the >>positives and negatives of each RAID type yet. >>> >>>> >>>> Just a NOTE: I do plan to use photoshop - and I'm considering a 64bit >>>> processor (for speed). >>> >>>Photoshop appears to be available for 32 bit and 64 bit systems, because >>>the system requirements page for CS5 claims it will run on a "P4". I'd >>>heard >>>something about it being 64 bit only, but that doesn't seem to be the >>>case. >>>I would much prefer the marketing people to be more precise about >>>whether it is a 32 bit or a 64 bit product. >> >>It runs on either 32 bit or 64 bit. >>> >>>It's unclear to me at least, how the 64 bit version would be faster. >>>Instructions to speed up operations, would involve things like SSE, and >>>the feature set of SSE is separate from the rest of the architecture. >>>I don't see 32 bit versus 64 bit integer operations making much >>>difference. >> >>I'll check this out on the Photoshop groups to see if anyone out there >>has any measureable experience on this matter. >>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE4 >>> >>>In the case of the Intel architecture, 64 bit instructions are possibly >>>10% >>>slower than 32 bit instructions, due to there being no "microfusion" of >>>instructions. On AMD, the 32 bit and 64 bit instructions are handled >>>the same way, so there is no difference. (And in all the examples I >>>describe of this nature, Intel still comes out ahead in the end. So >>>a slight inefficiency here and there, isn't an issue.) >> >>Gotcha!! BTW, do the other guys in this group (and you) communicate >>offline about threads such as mine? Just curious. No disrespect to the >>others who are attempting to help me - but again, your responses are very >>clear, complete and in logical order. Thank you!! >>> >>>Have fun, >>> Paul
From: PeoplesChoice on 13 Jul 2010 20:45 On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:12:06 -0600, "peter" <peter(a)nowhere.net> wrote: Peter, I'm going to look up all the components you suggested. But I have a question: I was told that if I got a waorkstation box, I would be sure to have plenty of room to work with inside and also more slots in case I need them. Does this make sense? Also, somewhere in this thread, I think I remember someone suggesting that I get a 1200W power supply - again, to cover anything I might want in the future that I don't see now. One more (off the thread) subject: Only on this group, when I 'Get New Headers', it takes about 75 seconds to 'Update the Folder.' This doesn't happen on any other group. I am using Forte Agent, Windows 7 and get my news from Giganews. I have never had this happen to me before. Thanks...... >I am not upset >This industry moves so fast that by the time Paul finishes explaining it all >half of what he said would be obsolete.You need to decide what your going to >actually >use the system for 80% of the time and build accordingly. >A nice 1156 mobo with Sata3 and USB 3 >ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 2PCI SLI CrossFireX >USB3.0 SATA 6GB Motherboard >a nice CPU >Intel Core i7 860 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.8GHZ >Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box >Some decent RAM >G.SKILL F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO Eco PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL7-8-7-24 >1.35V Memory Kit >power >Seasonic M12 700W ATX12V V2.2 20/24PIN Active PFC Power Supply Retail Box >Case >Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Full Tower Gaming Case ATX 12 Drive Bay No PS Top >USB3.0 USB Audio >Video >MSI GeForce GTX 470 Fermi 607MHZ 1280MB 3348MHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDMI Video >Card >Hard Drive >Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual >Proc Hard Drive OEM >LCD Monitor >Acer S243HL Bmii 24IN Ultraslim Widescreen LCD Monitor 1920X1080 LED Backlit >8000000:1 2MS VGA 2HDMI > >now add a DVD or Blu-ray of your choice as well as set of decent 5.1 >speakers >if you wish add an Audio Card >and then the specific toys that you only play with the other 20% of the >time. > >peter > > > >If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate or >disruptive,please ignore it. If you dont know how to ignore a posting >complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :-) >wrote in message news:iqsk36dbl5anleubots5f9dlhpjt4lo3hi(a)4ax.com... > >On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:23:21 -0600, "peter" <peter(a)nowhere.net> wrote: > >>Look ...no offense intended but this tread could go one for months >>and by that time everything discussed would be obsolete. >>My suggestion would be to go to a Dell/Compaq website >>look for one of their "upscale" models and buy 2 >>or have Paul visit NewEgg put one together for you and send you the link >>peter >> >>Don't understand. You don't have to read it or even bother with it. What >>upsets you? >> >>If you find a posting or message from me offensive,inappropriate or >>disruptive,please ignore it. If you dont know how to ignore a posting >>complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate :-) >>wrote in message news:60sj3693o1rrss7kr6c98po2jvv4063rip(a)4ax.com... >> >>On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:03:06 -0400, Paul <nospam(a)needed.com> wrote: >> >>>PeoplesChoice(a)Chicago.net wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I will probaly go with Intel - and the fastest one that will hold the >>>> most memory. I like to have a lot of apps open at the same time. Do >>>> you >>>> agree with my choice? >>> >>>Well, you compare the performance (using a benchmark web page) and the >>>price. >>>And then decide which one is right. >> >>What is a benchmarking web page? I'm REALLY NEW at this. >>> >>>>> Any processor socket, will have a limited life. The trend now, of >>>>> connecting >>>>> memory directly to the processor, plays a part. The memory industry >>>>> needs the >>>>> memory type to change every two years, to make money. >>>> >>>> S--T!!! I'm looking for upgradability. >>> >>>I can't predict how Intel will do things. It might depend on the economy, >>>as >>>to how fast things change. Obviously, they make more money from you, if >>>you >>>have to change everything. The Intel platform now, has a lot of Intel >>>parts >>>on it, like an Intel chipset. So they're getting money from the processor >>>purchase, and from the motherboard purchase. >>> >>>What happens to memory, is the price drops with time. By the time two >>>years has passed, the memory manufacturers are losing money. By >>>introducing >>>new memory, it means a premium price for the new memory, to help them stay >>>afloat. Due to the vast amount of production capacity they have, it is >>>easy for supply to outstrip demand. Only price-fixing can help them, >>>and if they get caught, they get big fines. >> >>OK, if these components become obsolete, do you think I can count on >>being able to upgrade the rig (especially the processor)? >> >>> >>>>> If you buy the right processor to start with, chances are you're not >>>>> going to need to upgrade it anyway. >>>> >>>> Good news! >>> >>>I think this is the right approach. Decide what you want this year's >>>solution >>>to look like, and live with that decision for a while. >> >>Sounds logical. >>> >>>>> The processor can have 1,2,3,4, or 6 cores, depending on socket and >>>>> manufacturer. You check the motherboard web site, for the "CPU >>>>> compatibility" list, >>>>> to make sure the processor you want to use, is supported. I also >>>>> like to check the list, to see if high power demanding processors >>>>> are supported, like 140W processors on AMD motherboards. Intel >>>>> ones might go to 130W. >>>>> >>>>> A top end AMD CPU, might be like this one. Some Intel processors, will >>>>> be >>>>> faster than this one. $295. You'd use an AM3 motherboard and some >>>>> DDR3 memory. >>>> >>>> At this time, can you tell me (within a ballpark) approximately what >>>> this >>>> baby will cost me? >>> >>>You can use the Newegg site to get approximate prices. And look at >>>other retailers, Frys or Tigerdirect, and comparison shop. The only >>>reason I cite Newegg in answers, is it is easier for me to look >>>stuff up there. You can buy the kit, wherever you want. $300 will buy >>>you a nice processor. $150 to $300 for a nice motherboard. If you have >>>money to burn, they always have a processor at the $1000 price point. >> >>I don't have money to burn, but I'm retired (because of the head pain) >>and my wife knows that computers are my 'hobby.' It's about all I can >>do. So, at least for this first time, I think I can get away with the >>'best'. After that, we'll see. ;) >>> >>>> Where do I go to check benchmarks? >>> >>>Try the http://www.tomshardware.com/charts , as they have different types. >>> >>>> >>>> USB3 is a must. I'd use it for backup. Is USB3 or SATA faster? >>> >>>http://www.nordichardware.com/index.php?option=com_content&catid=112&lang=en&view=article&id=20792 >>> >>>According to the table there, a properly connected USB3 storage device, >>>can manage 336MB/sec. A disk fast enough to handle that, would need a >>>SATA III interface. There are currently hard drives with SATA III >>>interfaces, >>>but the head to media speed is still in the 125MB/sec range. In other >>>words, >>>the platter is still the limiting factor on a regular hard drive. So if >>>you >>>connect any regular hard drive, via USB3, you get 125MB/sec roughly. >>> >>>Now, if you look here... >>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb3#USB_3.0 >>> >>> "A SuperSpeed (USB 3.0) rate of 4800 Mbit/s (~572 MB/s)" >>> >>>The 572 MB/sec is the cabling rate, the pnysical layer. The user won't see >>>that rate, due to the protocol overheads, and the way that the protocol >>>works. The same issue caused 60MB/sec USB2 to only deliver 30MB/sec. >>>In this case, the best estimate for USB3 is 336MB/sec out of 572MB/sec >>>on the cable. It may take a while, before devices achieve those rates. >>>It might even take an updated driver or two. Only time will tell. >>> >>>SATA III (and one supposes ESATA III) would be 600MB/sec theoretical, with >>>the >>>practical being perhaps 500MB/sec+. Again, being new technology, there is >>>room >>>for improvement in what you can buy today. >> >>What's the difference between SATA and ESATA? (NOTE: I may not >>understand everything you're telling me - but I'm learning a lot. Your >>style of writing for the purposes of teaching is EXCELLENT). >>> >>>>> Could have S/PDIF optical or coax, for digital connection to an AV >>>>> receiver (stereo). >>>> >>>> Still don't understand what part the computer plays in this. Could you >>>> explain please? >>> >>>A sound card has a couple of output types on it. Analog audio you already >>>understand. You >>>connect 1/8" stereo miniplugs, from one audio device to another. Each plug >>>has >>>two channels on it. Three plugs carry 5.1 for say, your movie theater >>>(Dolby) speaker >>>system. >>> >>>S/PDIF is a digital transmission method. It carries audio in digital >>>format. Either >>>a coax cable or an optical fiber, carry the signal. The method is >>>practically >>>limited to uncompressed stereo. But a second method called AC3 also >>>exists. >>>it >>>is a compressed/encoded format. A DVD movie for example, can have an AC3 >>>encoded >>>sound track. When you watch a movie, the AC3 sound track can be sent to >>>the >>>S/PDIF >>>cable directly. You can't even change the volume level of the signal, as >>>it >>>leaves >>>the computer. You use the volume knob on your stereo (AV receiver) to set >>>the volume. >>>That provides a way to get the signal from the movie, over to the >>>speakers, >>>without >>>changes to the signal. >>> >>>A third way to get audio (for computer sounds, music playback, movie >>>playback), >>>is via an HDMI cable. HDMI still doesn't have a lot of options on it, that >>>work. >>>There is some kind of multichannel, unencoded method used, that should be >>>plenty >>>for driving a theater speaker setup. So HDMI should be able to pass more >>>audio channels, >>>with less loss, than S/PDIF could. HDMI carries two signals. It can carry >>>video to >>>your HDTV, but it can also carry the audio for your movie playback. I >>>think >>>the >>>format of the digital signals is LPCM, which isn't compressed. >>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lpcm >>> >>> "Linear pulse code modulation is used by HDMI (defined in 2002), a >>> single-cable >>> digital audio/video connector interface for transmitting uncompressed >>> digital data." >>> >>>The only person who would be interested in S/PDIF, is someone who already >>>owns >>>an AV receiver with S/PDIF jacks on it. I don't have any gear like that >>>here, >>>and I've never, ever, used the S/PDIF outputs on my computers. If you >>>don't >>>have audio gear like that today, then perhaps your fancy TV set with HDMI >>>jack, is how you'll be doing it. But if the computer isn't connected to a >>>TV >>>set, you can always run 1/8" audio plugs to regular amplified computer >>>speakers. >>> >>>500W boom box :-) >> >>But why do I need a computer at all? The AV Receiver can do what's >>necessary, won't it? >>> >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121120 >>> >>>(three 1/8" jacks on the back of the console for 5.1 channel analog audio) >>> >>>http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/36-121-120-Z05?$S640W$ >>> >>>>> Could have ESATA for external hard drive. >>>> >>>> See above............ >>> >>>ESATA is plenty fast for any existing hard drive. USB3 will also meet that >>>criterion, once there are more USB3 hard drive enclosures available. If >>>you >>>buy this year, you'll be an "early adopter", meaning they may have >>>whatever >>>limitations the designers couldn't fix in time. >>> >>>>> (On the motherboard surface, there will be SATA II disk connectors >>>>> (3Gbit/sec), >>>>> while a few motherboards have SATA III at 6Gbit/sec. The latter will be >>>>> good some day, for SSD flash drives. SATA III wouldn't really help you >>>>> with >>>>> ordinary hard drives.) >>>> >>>> Don't understand why not. What's an SSD flash drive? >>> >>>It's the replacement for the hard drive, once the price comes down :-) >>>This one has a SATA III interface, and can read at 355MB/sec. That is >>>faster than USB3 flat out. And faster ones than this will come out soon. >>>I suspect they might make it to 500MB/sec. >>> >>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148349 >>> >>>It is a "hard drive", with a SATA connector, but instead of a rotating >>>magnetic platter, it uses NAND Flash memory chips. You might find >>>chips on either side of the PCB. There is a controller chip, which >>>controls reading and writing to the chips, and it has multiple channels >>>for parallel operation. That is how it gets its speed. Access time is >>>0.1 milliseconds, and you can do thousands of operations per second. >>>These are a possible choice for your boot drive :-) Windows 7 supports >>>TRIM, and has some level of support for using these well. They also >>>work with other OSes, if you pamper them. If you have buckets of money, >>>you use one of these for your boot drive, and use a regular 1TB or larger >>>hard drive, for storing data files (like your movie collection). >>>SSDs are too expensive to use for archival storage. Your movies would be >>>pretty expensive to store on only these, and there'd be no point to >>>doing so. >>> >>>http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/CES/2010/Micron-RealSSD-C300/PCB.jpg >>> >>>In fact, it pays to do regular backups, of the SSD type drive, to a >>>magnetic >>>drive. Just in case... >> >>In case I haven't mentioned it yet, I do regular incremental backups on a >>LaCie USB2 external drive. Unfortunately, I can't remember which RAID >>configuration it has - but if one drive goes bad, the other will carry >>on. As you can tell. I'm not really into RAID yet. Don't understand the >>positives and negatives of each RAID type yet. >>> >>>> >>>> Just a NOTE: I do plan to use photoshop - and I'm considering a 64bit >>>> processor (for speed). >>> >>>Photoshop appears to be available for 32 bit and 64 bit systems, because >>>the system requirements page for CS5 claims it will run on a "P4". I'd >>>heard >>>something about it being 64 bit only, but that doesn't seem to be the >>>case. >>>I would much prefer the marketing people to be more precise about >>>whether it is a 32 bit or a 64 bit product. >> >>It runs on either 32 bit or 64 bit. >>> >>>It's unclear to me at least, how the 64 bit version would be faster. >>>Instructions to speed up operations, would involve things like SSE, and >>>the feature set of SSE is separate from the rest of the architecture. >>>I don't see 32 bit versus 64 bit integer operations making much >>>difference. >> >>I'll check this out on the Photoshop groups to see if anyone out there >>has any measureable experience on this matter. >>> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE4 >>> >>>In the case of the Intel architecture, 64 bit instructions are possibly >>>10% >>>slower than 32 bit instructions, due to there being no "microfusion" of >>>instructions. On AMD, the 32 bit and 64 bit instructions are handled >>>the same way, so there is no difference. (And in all the examples I >>>describe of this nature, Intel still comes out ahead in the end. So >>>a slight inefficiency here and there, isn't an issue.) >> >>Gotcha!! BTW, do the other guys in this group (and you) communicate >>offline about threads such as mine? Just curious. No disrespect to the >>others who are attempting to help me - but again, your responses are very >>clear, complete and in logical order. Thank you!! >>> >>>Have fun, >>> Paul
From: Steve on 13 Jul 2010 21:14 In article <5p1q36lep0in1puv8gockhjmv13j20mac7(a)4ax.com>, PeoplesChoice(a)Chicago.net says... > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:12:06 -0600, "peter" <peter(a)nowhere.net> wrote: > Peter, I'm going to look up all the components you suggested. But I have > a question: I was told that if I got a waorkstation box, I would be sure > to have plenty of room to work with inside and also more slots in case I > need them. Does this make sense? Also, somewhere in this thread, I > think I remember someone suggesting that I get a 1200W power supply - > again, to cover anything I might want in the future that I don't see now. > > One more (off the thread) subject: Only on this group, when I 'Get New > Headers', it takes about 75 seconds to 'Update the Folder.' This doesn't > happen on any other group. I am using Forte Agent, Windows 7 and get my > news from Giganews. I have never had this happen to me before. > Thanks...... > <snipofunneededtext> Maybe it's because it has to work through all the unneeded text in your posts. s
From: PeoplesChoice on 13 Jul 2010 21:18 On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:14:21 -0700, Steve <invalid(a)invalid.com> wrote: >In article <5p1q36lep0in1puv8gockhjmv13j20mac7(a)4ax.com>, >PeoplesChoice(a)Chicago.net says... >> >> On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:12:06 -0600, "peter" <peter(a)nowhere.net> wrote: >> Peter, I'm going to look up all the components you suggested. But I have >> a question: I was told that if I got a waorkstation box, I would be sure >> to have plenty of room to work with inside and also more slots in case I >> need them. Does this make sense? Also, somewhere in this thread, I >> think I remember someone suggesting that I get a 1200W power supply - >> again, to cover anything I might want in the future that I don't see now. >> >> One more (off the thread) subject: Only on this group, when I 'Get New >> Headers', it takes about 75 seconds to 'Update the Folder.' This doesn't >> happen on any other group. I am using Forte Agent, Windows 7 and get my >> news from Giganews. I have never had this happen to me before. >> Thanks...... >> ><snipofunneededtext> > >Maybe it's because it has to work through all the unneeded text in >your posts. > > > Are you being funny? > >s
From: PeoplesChoice on 13 Jul 2010 21:20
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:14:21 -0700, Steve <invalid(a)invalid.com> wrote: >In article <5p1q36lep0in1puv8gockhjmv13j20mac7(a)4ax.com>, >PeoplesChoice(a)Chicago.net says... >> >> On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:12:06 -0600, "peter" <peter(a)nowhere.net> wrote: >> Peter, I'm going to look up all the components you suggested. But I have >> a question: I was told that if I got a waorkstation box, I would be sure >> to have plenty of room to work with inside and also more slots in case I >> need them. Does this make sense? Also, somewhere in this thread, I >> think I remember someone suggesting that I get a 1200W power supply - >> again, to cover anything I might want in the future that I don't see now. >> >> One more (off the thread) subject: Only on this group, when I 'Get New >> Headers', it takes about 75 seconds to 'Update the Folder.' This doesn't >> happen on any other group. I am using Forte Agent, Windows 7 and get my >> news from Giganews. I have never had this happen to me before. >> Thanks...... >> ><snipofunneededtext> > >Maybe it's because it has to work through all the unneeded text in >your posts. > > Well, in any case, I temporarily switched from 'Watched' View to "All Messages' view then back again. Now it woks fine. > > >s |