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From: Puppet_Sock on 16 Apr 2010 17:05
On Apr 16, 2:48 pm, Just Me <jpd...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> > We've already had this discussion.
>
> No, you haven't.
[snap]

Yes, yes we have.

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2439
Socks
From: Cwatters on 16 Apr 2010 18:53

"Just Me" <jpdm45(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ae062f92-3e3a-4241-a47e-c1dd5569a01e(a)v14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.bnd.com/2010/04/15/1216513/huge-collider-begins-exploring.html
>
> "The underground ring is lined with 1,232 50-foot-long magnets, each
> weighing 35 tons. The tunnel also contains four gigantic particle
> detectors, as big as apartment buildings, plus two smaller ones, all
> crammed with scientific instruments. The whole complex is chilled by
> 120 tons of liquid helium to almost absolute zero, colder even than
> outer space."
>
> The core of the earth is a huge spherical crucible of molten iron.
> Those above described mega-magnets, officially powered up and running
> since March of this year at Cern, Switzerland are sending the most
> powerful magnetic fields ever created on the earth into the earth...

Funny how these huge magnetic fields don't seem to effect cars or bicycles
about on the surface.






From: Just Me on 17 Apr 2010 16:43
On Apr 16, 5:53 pm, "Cwatters"
<colin.wattersNOS...(a)TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
> "Just Me" <jpd...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ae062f92-3e3a-4241-a47e-c1dd5569a01e(a)v14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.bnd.com/2010/04/15/1216513/huge-collider-begins-exploring....
>
> > "The underground ring is lined with 1,232 50-foot-long magnets, each
> > weighing 35 tons. The tunnel also contains four gigantic particle
> > detectors, as big as apartment buildings, plus two smaller ones, all
> > crammed with scientific instruments. The whole complex is chilled by
> > 120 tons of liquid helium to almost absolute zero, colder even than
> > outer space."
>
> > The core of the earth is a huge spherical crucible of molten iron.
> > Those above described mega-magnets, officially powered up and running
> > since March of this year at Cern, Switzerland are sending the most
> > powerful magnetic fields ever created on the earth into the earth...
>
> Funny how these huge magnetic fields don't seem to effect cars or bicycles
> about on the surface.

Perhaps you ought to remember your basic Newtonian/Maxwellian physics
better than that. As all good physics students would know, magnetism
is in at least one way remarkably similar to gravity, as for example
in the mathematical laws which govern their forces. In the same way
that gravitational force is proportional to the masses, and inversely
proportional to the square of the distance between the masses, so it
goes with opposed magnetic charges. The magnetic force is proportional
to the strength (or 'size' or quantity) of the opposing charges, and
inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the
charges.

In the same way that a weather satellite, say at 10k miles above the
terrestrial surface will not be pulled down out of its orbit, neither
will a bicycle be jerked out from under its rider as she comes within
close proximity to the source of magnetic force from the LHC at Cern.
But now take the weather satellite out of that orbit at its altitude
of 10,000 miles, and put the moon in its stead. As the force is now
proportional to the great increase of mass in the lesser body, the
square of distance is now not great enough to permit the body to
maintain an orbit, and it will come crashing down into collision with
the earth.

In quite the same fashion, the respective potential for a polar
opposite magnetic charge from the iron core of the earth would be far
greater than that of any bicycle passing near the LHC at Cern. While
the bicycle WILL afford an opposing charge to the LHC, and will be
minimally attracted to the LHC, it will not be enough to be noticed by
the rider. Conversely, the immense iron core of the Earth will be
affected, just as we are seeing today in the news from China and
Iceland.
--
JM
From: bert on 17 Apr 2010 16:50
On Apr 17, 3:12 am, "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...(a)mailinator.com> wrote:
> "Just Me" <jpd...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ae062f92-3e3a-4241-a47e-c1dd5569a01e(a)v14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >http://www.bnd.com/2010/04/15/1216513/huge-collider-begins-exploring....
>
> > "The underground ring is lined with 1,232 50-foot-long magnets, each
> > weighing 35 tons. The tunnel also contains four gigantic particle
> > detectors, as big as apartment buildings, plus two smaller ones, all
> > crammed with scientific instruments. The whole complex is chilled by
> > 120 tons of liquid helium to almost absolute zero, colder even than
> > outer space."
>
> > The core of the earth is a huge spherical crucible of molten iron.
> > Those above described mega-magnets, officially powered up and running
> > since March of this year at Cern, Switzerland are sending the most
> > powerful magnetic fields ever created on the earth into the earth,
> > into that spherical sea of liquid iron, no different than occurs by
> > electrical induction within the cores of every dynamo and electric
> > motor in the world.
>
> > Do you suppose those monstrous magnets at Cern are NOT capable of
> > disturbing the stability, generating currents, stirring storms in the
> > liquid iron core beneath the highly frangible, floating plate
> > structure of the earth's mantle? This unprecedented tectonic upsurge,
> > just of late, in a frequency of high magnitude earthquakes and
> > volcanic activity began with the Haiti quake in January of this year.
> > Toward the end of February came the great 8.8 Chilean quake, and on
> > that same day a magnitude 7.0 quake struck off the coast of Okinawa.
> > For March, in 7 days there were according to CNN, 72 earthquakes of
> > magnitude 5.0 or better in Chile alone, some of which, say
> > seismologists are independent quakes, not aftershocks, such as the
> > plus mag 7 quake that struck on the day of the Chilean elections.
>
> > And what have we seen since March to this date--aside from the
> > volcanic eruption in Iceland? Here is the 30 day list of quakes
> > worldwide of mag 4.0 or better . . .
>
> > 16-APR-2010 12:29:02 -2.84 139.28 4.7 50.0 NEAR NORTH COAST OF IRIAN
> > JAYA
> > 16-APR-2010 10:01:11 16.52 -98.18 5.3 25.5 NEAR COAST OF GUERRERO,
> > MEXICO
> > 16-APR-2010 08:58:06 -8.92 157.89 5.0 35.0 SOLOMON ISLANDS
> > 16-APR-2010 07:38:13 37.98 139.22 4.7 10.0 EASTERN HONSHU, JAPAN
> > 16-APR-2010 03:01:25 -10.66 165.27 5.1 35.0 SANTA CRUZ ISLANDS
> > 16-APR-2010 01:45:17 54.62 -161.18 5.5 46.7 ALASKA PENINSULA
> > 15-APR-2010 23:59:40 41.67 -111.00 4.9 10.0 WYOMING
> > 15-APR-2010 22:58:55 -13.44 -111.79 4.8 8.8 CENTRAL EAST PACIFIC RISE
> > 15-APR-2010 21:42:18 -21.15 -68.55 4.9 108.2 CHILE-BOLIVIA BORDER
> > REGION
> > 15-APR-2010 20:52:33 -13.32 -111.77 5.0 10.0 CENTRAL EAST PACIFIC RISE
> > 15-APR-2010 16:35:12 71.65 -66.89 4.7 10.0 BAFFIN BAY
> > 15-APR-2010 13:40:59 -31.21 -177.86 5.2 42.2 KERMADEC ISLANDS REGION
> > 15-APR-2010 08:48:25 53.66 -152.80 4.3 10.0 SOUTH OF ALASKA
> > 14-APR-2010 23:54:17 -13.88 166.63 4.9 73.5 VANUATU ISLANDS
> > 14-APR-2010 12:36:38 -18.71 167.26 4.9 10.0 VANUATU ISLANDS
> > 14-APR-2010 12:19:35 33.08 96.85 4.1 10.0 QINGHAI, CHINA
> > 14-APR-2010 12:18:59 -35.73 -73.03 4.6 35.0 OFF COAST OF CENTRAL CHILE
> > 14-APR-2010 08:16:23 31.80 140.03 5.0 108.1 SOUTH OF HONSHU, JAPAN
> > 14-APR-2010 05:16:16 18.20 -101.36 5.0 71.8 GUERRERO, MEXICO
> > 14-APR-2010 04:49:33 18.41 -72.91 4.0 10.0 HAITI REGION
> > 14-APR-2010 04:46:59 -35.24 -72.76 4.8 35.0 NEAR COAST OF CENTRAL
> > CHILE
> > 14-APR-2010 03:15:46 32.85 96.34 4.8 10.0 QINGHAI, CHINA
> > 14-APR-2010 01:25:16 33.23 96.46 5.8 10.0 QINGHAI, CHINA
> > 14-APR-2010 01:16:58 -29.05 61.35 5.1 10.0 SOUTHWEST INDIAN RIDGE
> > 14-APR-2010 00:18:29 17.97 145.43 5.0 193.6 MARIANA ISLANDS
> > 14-APR-2010 00:12:25 33.03 96.56 5.2 10.0 QINGHAI, CHINA
> > 14-APR-2010 00:01:16 32.69 96.87 5.3 10.0 QINGHAI, CHINA
> > 13-APR-2010 23:49:42 33.26 96.67 6.9 46.9 QINGHAI, CHINA
> > 13-APR-2010 21:43:54 23.45 123.51 4.9 23.8 SOUTHWESTERN RYUKYU ISLANDS
> > 13-APR-2010 21:40:00 33.18 96.62 5.0 18.9 QINGHAI, CHINA
> > 13-APR-2010 20:49:11 23.13 121.36 4.8 35.0 TAIWAN
> > 13-APR-2010 20:27:00 -56.27 -27.26 5.5 100.3 SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS
> > REGION
> > 13-APR-2010 20:14:59 8.09 91.98 5.3 28.8 NICOBAR ISLANDS, INDIA
> > 13-APR-2010 16:51:34 4.48 -76.53 4.5 108.3 COLOMBIA
> > 13-APR-2010 16:50:46 -6.43 145.31 4.9 38.3 NEW GUINEA, PAPUA NEW
> > GUINEA
> > 13-APR-2010 15:46:37 -10.86 161.09 5.0 73.1 SOLOMON ISLANDS
> > 13-APR-2010 13:28:21 54.46 -160.98 4.6 37.0 ALASKA PENINSULA
> > 13-APR-2010 08:38:43 -20.21 -178.42 4.6 568.5 FIJI ISLANDS REGION
> > 13-APR-2010 07:58:08 -28.19 -63.19 4.2 554.0 SANTIAGO DEL ESTERO
> > PROV., ARG.
> > 13-APR-2010 06:07:50 -22.08 -179.58 4.6 586.3 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS
> > 13-APR-2010 02:37:52 19.76 -76.55 4.6 16.6 CUBA REGION
> > 13-APR-2010 00:55:41 -4.40 153.53 5.4 66.2 NEW IRELAND REGION, P.N.G.
> > 12-APR-2010 21:29:19 16.27 119.74 4.9 13.9 LUZON, PHILIPPINE ISLANDS
> > 12-APR-2010 12:36:47 -35.36 -104.75 5.0 22.4 SOUTHEAST OF EASTER
> > ISLAND
> > 12-APR-2010 11:10:05 16.45 -92.53 4.6 231.7 CHIAPAS, MEXICO
> > 12-APR-2010 10:23:12 -56.93 147.42 5.7 10.0 WEST OF MACQUARIE ISLAND
> > 12-APR-2010 10:15:12 13.20 -90.00 4.4 83.1 NEAR COAST OF GUATEMALA
> > 12-APR-2010 09:48:41 -8.95 124.04 4.9 111.6 TIMOR REGION, INDONESIA
> > 12-APR-2010 07:57:22 76.94 18.92 5.0 10.0 SVALBARD REGION
> > 12-APR-2010 05:51:30 -4.54 -77.32 5.0 43.6 NORTHERN PERU
> > 12-APR-2010 05:29:52 -8.78 157.87 4.7 32.7 SOLOMON ISLANDS
> > 12-APR-2010 00:37:45 34.09 69.94 4.8 4.8 AFGHANISTAN
> > 11-APR-2010 22:54:04 -31.97 -67.60 4.9 123.9 SAN JUAN PROVINCE,
> > ARGENTINA
> > 11-APR-2010 22:08:10 37.08 -3.47 6.3 616.7 SPAIN
> > 11-APR-2010 13:02:14 29.51 130.40 5.3 40.5 RYUKYU ISLANDS
> > 11-APR-2010 10:40:41 -58.73 -25.72 4.9 106.5 SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS
> > REGION
> > 11-APR-2010 10:28:07 -34.64 -71.74 5.0 35.0 NEAR COAST OF CENTRAL
> > CHILE
> > 11-APR-2010 09:40:29 -10.93 161.19 6.8 51.9 SOLOMON ISLANDS
> > 11-APR-2010 08:45:17 -5.32 152.28 5.5 86.4 NEW BRITAIN REGION, P.N.G.
> > 11-APR-2010 05:59:28 -5.60 101.69 5.5 10.0 SOUTHWEST OF SUMATERA,
> > INDONESIA
> > 11-APR-2010 04:57:28 23.26 122.06 5.6 16.7 TAIWAN REGION
> > 11-APR-2010 03:25:48 -55.90 -126.92 5.0 10.0 SOUTHERN EAST PACIFIC
> > RISE
> > 11-APR-2010 02:19:11 -12.99 166.43 5.3 35.0 SANTA CRUZ ISLANDS
> > 11-APR-2010 00:15:57 25.92 128.47 4.8 29.7 RYUKYU ISLANDS
> > 10-APR-2010 22:04:50 -8.02 156.47 4.8 41.6 SOLOMON ISLANDS
> > 10-APR-2010 21:29:07 -34.69 -71.39 4.9 72.0 NEAR COAST OF CENTRAL
> > CHILE
> > 10-APR-2010 18:50:25 18.79 -65.09 4.8 47.2 PUERTO RICO REGION
> > 10-APR-2010 16:54:24 -20.11 -176.23 5.9 274.9 FIJI ISLANDS REGION
> > 10-APR-2010 15:06:33 -25.67 -70.66 5.4 35.0 NEAR COAST OF NORTHERN
> > CHILE
> > 10-APR-2010 10:32:00 -1.31 97.73 4.3 35.0 SOUTHWEST OF SUMATERA,
> > INDONESIA
> > 10-APR-2010 09:47:57 61.61 -146.75 4.8 34.9 SOUTHERN ALASKA
> > 10-APR-2010 09:12:28 32.67 -115.77 4.5 6.8 CALIF.-BAJA CALIF. BORDER
> > REGION
> > 10-APR-2010 09:06:28 -7.00 128.36 4.7 226.3 BANDA SEA
> > 10-APR-2010 06:54:04 10.75 125.64 4.6 148.0 LEYTE, PHILIPPINE ISLANDS
> > 10-APR-2010 06:30:03 -40.70 -89.62 5.1 10.0 WEST CHILE RISE
> > 10-APR-2010 06:16:12 -4.80 145.74 5.1 35.0 NEAR N COAST OF NEW GUINEA,
> > PNG.
> > 10-APR-2010 05:06:44 -36.11 -100.93 5.1 10.0 SOUTHEAST OF EASTER
> > ISLAND
> > 10-APR-2010 04:20:01 -4.28 -76.43 4.4 114.2 NORTHERN PERU
> > 10-APR-2010 02:53:24 -7.18 129.55 5.3 94.6 BANDA SEA
> > 09-APR-2010 23:11:59 0.96 -85.34 5.0 11.6 OFF COAST OF ECUADOR
> > 09-APR-2010 23:05:42 32.22 -115.24 5.1 10.0 CALIF.-BAJA CALIF. BORDER
> > REGION
> > 09-APR-2010 20:53:27 32.30 -115.35 4.1 6.0 CALIF.-BAJA CALIF. BORDER
> > REGION
> > 09-APR-2010 20:17:40 -38.28 -73.68 4.9 13.1 NEAR COAST OF CENTRAL
> > CHILE
> > 09-APR-2010 19:04:11 47.30 150.73 4.3 194.2 KURIL ISLANDS
> > 09-APR-2010 18:02:25 14.45 93.23 4.8 53.0 ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA
> > 09-APR-2010 17:56:06 36.17 69.49 4.7 104.4 HINDU KUSH REGION,
> > AFGHANISTAN
> > 09-APR-2010 16:34:26 -9.60 149.81 5.3 35.0 EASTERN NEW GUINEA REG.,
> > P.N.G.
> > 09-APR-2010 12:23:37 41.48 71.87 4.5 10.0 KYRGYZSTAN
> > 09-APR-2010 11:49:53 24.87 122.10 4.3 109.5 TAIWAN REGION
> > 09-APR-2010 07:31:26 43.19 70.04 4.3 10.0 CENTRAL KAZAKHSTAN
> > 09-APR-2010 07:09:11 35.67 29.36 4.2 10.0 EASTERN MEDITERRANEAN SEA
> > 09-APR-2010 06:29:38 1.91 99.16 4.4 35.0 NORTHERN SUMATERA, INDONESIA
> > 09-APR-2010 06:04:22 -21.72 -174.58 5.1 35.0 TONGA ISLANDS
> > 09-APR-2010 01:27:10 44.24 -128.77 4.2 10.0 OFF COAST OF OREGON
> > 09-APR-2010 00:30:33 -37.90 -73.04 4.8 41.8 NEAR COAST OF CENTRAL
> > CHILE
> > 08-APR-2010 23:57:41 -4.40 35.21 4.9 24.0 TANZANIA
> > 08-APR-2010 22:21:17 -36.53 -73.24 4.8 35.0 NEAR COAST OF CENTRAL
> > CHILE
> > 08-APR-2010 18:04:44 -26.80 -72.54 4.8 16.0 OFF COAST OF NORTHERN
> > CHILE
> > 08-APR-2010 16:44:26 32.23 -115.28 5.5 7.0 CALIF.-BAJA CALIF. BORDER
> > REGION
> > 08-APR-2010 10:47:58 1.85 97.14 4.6 21.0 NORTHERN SUMATERA, INDONESIA
> > 08-APR-2010 08:58:20 -5.07 105.05 5.0 212.0 SUNDA STRAIT
> > 08-APR-2010 08:03:02 -35.09 -72.22 4.7 35.0 NEAR COAST OF CENTRAL
> > CHILE
> > 08-APR-2010 07:14:15 70.76 -133.01 4.6 36.5 BEAUFORT SEA
> > 08-APR-2010 07:08:40 -37.64 -74.69 4.7 35.0 OFF COAST OF CENTRAL CHILE
> > 08-APR-2010 05:31:00 41.30 79.07 4.6 46.0 KYRGYZSTAN-XINJIANG BORDER
> > REG.
> > 08-APR-2010 04:51:17 -9.64 123.87 4.7 81.0 TIMOR REGION, INDONESIA
> > 08-APR-2010 04:49:24 2.41 97.04 4.4 35.0 NORTHERN SUMATERA, INDONESIA
> > 08-APR-2010 04:26:09 -27.53 -175.90 5.0 42.0 KERMADEC ISLANDS REGION
> > 08-APR-2010 02:47:56 32.66 -115.76 4.5 1.2 CALIF.-BAJA CALIF. BORDER
> > REGION
> > 08-APR-2010 02:08:30 -33.23 -71.94 4.6 35.0 NEAR COAST OF CENTRAL
> > CHILE
> > 07-APR-2010 21:05:27 5.28 123.91 4.7 478.0 MINDANAO, PHILIPPINE
> > ISLANDS
> > 07-APR-2010 20:32:39 -27.10 179.50 4.8 492.3 KERMADEC ISLANDS REGION
> > 07-APR-2010 16:19:14 61.61 -149.82 4.7 45.0 SOUTHERN ALASKA
> > 07-APR-2010 14:33:05 -3.86 141.86 6.0 35.0 NEW GUINEA, PAPUA NEW
> > GUINEA
> > 07-APR-2010 12:52:53 55.76 161.22 4.6 111.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF
> > KAMCHATKA
> > 07-APR-2010 10:04:40 52.18 -173.52 5.2 91.0 ANDREANOF ISLANDS,
> > ALEUTIAN IS.
> > 07-APR-2010 09:22:38 39.53 73.24 4.5 52.0 TAJIKISTAN-XINJIANG BORDER
> > REG.
> > 07-APR-2010 09:18:02 -19.87 -68.83 4.8
>
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Reality is Cern is over engineered. That is the reason I predicted a
melt down. 10 years ago we accelerated electrons up to 99.0000 of c
It was easy,and the laser used was under a million bucks. This is the
tectnology needed. No need for 150,000 tons of liqiud hyrdogen. Does
not even have to be expensive under ground circular tunnel. ThisCern
accelerater will not create a black hole,but it will create a white
hole and that will be its end. Its like the tokamak To hot to handle.
TreBert
From: Just Me on 17 Apr 2010 18:13
On Apr 17, 4:30 pm, Towse <s...(a)towse.com> wrote:
> John Ashby wrote:
> > Bad geology to add to bad physics.
>
> > john(combatting scientific ignorance on Usenet since 1995)
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Sal

My old gal pal Sal. (Har!) Keep on smilin', Toots, right on through
the clouds of ash and glass, and the Shake, Rattle and Roll . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Feq_Nt3nM

"Git on to that kitchen,
Wash yo' face an' hands . . ."

Ashby doesn't know what he's jivin' about. He's actually sitting there
with the unmittigated NERVE to contradict Coulomb's Law, for the
crissake.

"The magnitude of the electrostatic force between two point electric
charges is directly proportional to the product of the magnitudes of
each of the charges and inversely proportional to the square of the
distance between the two charges."

EXACTLY THE SAME as with GRAVITY and MASS.

Still smiling, Tootsie-Wootsie? Yeah, never lose that cute little
smile not even when you get around to googling his arcane weirdo
physics thus: ["inverse fourth power law" +magnetism] see what ya get.
Count the puny number of weirdo hits compared to ("inverse square law"
+magnetism) or to just plain [Coulomb's Law].

You can't just come around spouting what you may think to be fancy
sounding phrases like "inverse fourth power law" WITHOUT EXPLAINING
YOURSELF. There is iron-clad logic, and settled physical law behind
my argument and nothing but spittle spray behind his.

But keep on smilin', babe, it looks so smug on ya. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McOO_FZnSGQ
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