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From: David J. Littleboy on 27 May 2010 09:49 "Bruce" <docnews2011(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 07:58:26 +0200, Alfred Molon wrote: >>dj_nme says... >> >>> No entirely true, it depends on the camera maker. >>> For example: Nikon uses two-letter descriptors (FX for full-frame >>> [24x36mm] and DX for 1.5x crop [25.1�16.7mm]) for the different sensor >>> sizes on their DSLR cameras. >>> Others use terms such as "ASP-C", "APS-H" or "FourThirds" to describe >>> smaller than FX sized sensors. >>> Very few actually state the actual sensor size in millimetres (or >>> inches). >> >>The terms APS-C, DX and FX etc. are in use, but I've never seen an inch >>size (") for a large sensor. >>And APS-C is not an exact size - sensor sizes can vary slightly, around >>22 - 24mm width. >>Also crop factors are in use, but not Vidicon tube sizes. > > > So you are still in denial about four thirds of an inch ... No. He's got it right. "4/3" is _NOT_ a "larger sensor".<g>. -- David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan
From: John Navas on 27 May 2010 10:40 On Thu, 27 May 2010 22:49:21 +0900, "David J. Littleboy" <davidjl(a)gol.com> wrote in <nZqdnZH3go_nH2PWnZ2dnVY3go2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>: > >"Bruce" <docnews2011(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 27 May 2010 07:58:26 +0200, Alfred Molon wrote: >>>dj_nme says... >>> >>>> No entirely true, it depends on the camera maker. >>>> For example: Nikon uses two-letter descriptors (FX for full-frame >>>> [24x36mm] and DX for 1.5x crop [25.1�16.7mm]) for the different sensor >>>> sizes on their DSLR cameras. >>>> Others use terms such as "ASP-C", "APS-H" or "FourThirds" to describe >>>> smaller than FX sized sensors. >>>> Very few actually state the actual sensor size in millimetres (or >>>> inches). >>> >>>The terms APS-C, DX and FX etc. are in use, but I've never seen an inch >>>size (") for a large sensor. >>>And APS-C is not an exact size - sensor sizes can vary slightly, around >>>22 - 24mm width. >>>Also crop factors are in use, but not Vidicon tube sizes. >> >> So you are still in denial about four thirds of an inch ... > >No. He's got it right. "4/3" is _NOT_ a "larger sensor".<g>. "All things are relative" and he's wrong on the facts. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: SMS on 27 May 2010 22:18 On 27/05/10 7:02 PM, Rich wrote: <snip> > I don't suggest that they go down to 3 megapixels and match the D3s, just > that they improve by adopting whatever Nikon did (or re-creating it, > somehow) and drop the pixel count. Nikon and Canon aren't selling their high-end sensor technology to competitors, and Olympus, with D-SLR market share in the low single digits, is not going to develop it themselves.
From: John Navas on 28 May 2010 10:08 On Thu, 27 May 2010 19:18:03 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in <4bff27e4$0$1638$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>: >On 27/05/10 7:02 PM, Rich wrote: > ><snip> > >> I don't suggest that they go down to 3 megapixels and match the D3s, just >> that they improve by adopting whatever Nikon did (or re-creating it, >> somehow) and drop the pixel count. > >Nikon and Canon aren't selling their high-end sensor technology to >competitors, Just like Sony. >and Olympus, with D-SLR market share in the low single >digits, is not going to develop it themselves. Available from a number of other sources. 0 for 2. ;) -- Best regards, John "Facts? We ain't got no facts. We don't need no facts. I don't have to show you any stinking facts!" [with apologies to John Huston]
From: John Navas on 28 May 2010 10:14
On Fri, 28 May 2010 17:46:13 +1200, Me <user(a)domain.invalid> wrote in <htnlav$7ts$1(a)news.albasani.net>: >The same argument can be used re 35mm vs medium, medium vs large formats. >That's why I think (it's my opinion) that the "format wars" argued >tirelessly on forums are pretty pointless. Indeed. Those wars are fueled by those people who think (wrongly) that better equipment makes them better photographers. >For what 99% (perhaps?) of photographers use cameras for, 4/3 is >perfectly adequate. Likewise the better compact digital cameras. >The problem lies with establishment of the format as >a standard - despite a very nice idea of a shared lens mount. APS-c is >dominant, followed by 35mm, so it's not easy for 4/3 to establish a market. What I think may have the most promise is Micro Four Thirds, even though it's not an open standard. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams |