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From: dlzc on 14 May 2010 14:27
Dear BURT:

On May 13, 8:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 13, 7:55 pm,dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote:
....
> > > >  Photons are already
> > > > "zero" size (experimentally), so any factor
> > > > times zero is still zero.
....
> What size is light at emission?

It must be zero size. The transition of an electron fro one orbital
to another is zero duration.

> What if EM is a very low energy wave?

Doesn't matter. If you moved along with the light in some God-like
way, you'd see a static electric and magnetic field.

> Does it appear all at once in space as
> in a nonlocal phenomenon?

It appears all at once at the "transistion" / acceleration of a
charged particle. Nothing non-local about it, except perhaps
transverse to its eventual line-of-flight.

> Or does all light grow?

No. Wavefronts expand. But they are just hosts of photons, as we
already know.

David A. Smith
From: eon on 15 May 2010 05:49
On May 14, 8:17 pm, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote:
> Dear eon:

....

>
> > you mean using nature to detect nature,
>
> > or is observation is something else?
>
> See the bit about langauge above.
>
> David A. Smith

for me space cannot be contracted, when you
take the air out of a CRT the space remains
in the tube

light or electrons has easier to pass through
the empty CRT, and therefore they may experience
shorter distance
From: eon on 15 May 2010 05:57
On May 14, 8:17 pm, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote:
> Dear eon:

....

>
> > you mean using nature to detect nature,
>
> > or is observation is something else?
>
> See the bit about langauge above.
>
> David A. Smith

and lets say that the atmospheric pressure would
be twice higher, the muon would experience less
time dilation and length contraction

how do you like it?

seems to me that space must be rigid
From: dlzc on 15 May 2010 14:19
Dear eon:

On May 15, 2:57 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote:
> On May 14, 8:17 pm,dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote:
> ...
> > > you mean using nature to detect nature,
>
> > > or is observation is something else?
>
> > See the bit about langauge above.
>
> and lets say that the atmospheric
> pressure would be twice higher, the
> muon would experience less time dilation
> and length contraction
>
> how do you like it?
>
> seems to me that space must be rigid

I accept that you believe that all paths from your house to a store
should all be the same distance, and that there is no distance between
you and a tall tower that will let you view the entire tower between
your thumb and forefinger, but Nature clearly does not feel that way.

This is all that relativity says, is that the path you follow through
4D spacetime, determines the distance you measure, regardless of
measurement method (parallax, time-of-flight, destination properties).

Moving at different speeds, puts you on a different path...

By the way, muons and muon fluxes have been measured at many different
altitudes. The results are consistent with a longer relative lifespan
to their more "restful cousins".

http://www.edu-observatory.org/physics-faq/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

David A. Smith
From: Androcles on 15 May 2010 14:31

"dlzc" <dlzc1(a)cox.net> wrote in message
news:1dda0a91-ac79-46ec-84bf-7d0cc71ba011(a)s4g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Dear eon:

On May 15, 2:57 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote:
> On May 14, 8:17 pm,dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote:
> ...
> > > you mean using nature to detect nature,
>
> > > or is observation is something else?
>
> > See the bit about langauge above.
>
> and lets say that the atmospheric
> pressure would be twice higher, the
> muon would experience less time dilation
> and length contraction
>
> how do you like it?
>
> seems to me that space must be rigid

I accept that you believe that all paths from your house to a store
should all be the same distance, and that there is no distance between
you and a tall tower that will let you view the entire tower between
your thumb and forefinger, but Nature clearly does not feel that way.

This is all that relativity says, is that the path you follow through
4D spacetime, determines the distance you measure, regardless of
measurement method (parallax, time-of-flight, destination properties).

Moving at different speeds, puts you on a different path...

By the way, muons and muon fluxes have been measured at many different
altitudes. The results are consistent with a longer relative lifespan
to their more "restful cousins".

http://www.edu-observatory.org/physics-faq/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

David A. Smith
==================================================
I accept that you believe we can step off the time path and take
a short cut to the nearest star by travelling further on the x-path,
but Nature clearly does not feel that way.
This is all that raving relativity lunatics like you say.



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