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From: eon on 16 May 2010 05:11 On May 15, 8:19 pm, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > Dear eon: > > On May 15, 2:57 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 14, 8:17 pm,dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > ... > > > > you mean using nature to detect nature, > > > > > or is observation is something else? > > > > See the bit about langauge above. > > > and lets say that the atmospheric > > pressure would be twice higher, the > > muon would experience less time dilation > > and length contraction > > > how do you like it? > > > seems to me that space must be rigid > > I accept that you believe that all paths from your house to a store > should all be the same distance, and that there is no distance between > you and a tall tower that will let you view the entire tower between > your thumb and forefinger, but Nature clearly does not feel that way. > > This is all that relativity says, is that the path you follow through > 4D spacetime, determines the distance you measure, regardless of > measurement method (parallax, time-of-flight, destination properties). > > Moving at different speeds, puts you on a different path... not convinced, this path must be a model, not real the shortest path is a line, and i follow the line, disregard the speed according to what you just said, the shortest path would be along the line at a speed of infinity !!! then the point of departure would coincide with the point of destination, ant the path will reduce to a point, which is zero > > By the way, muons and muon fluxes have been measured at many different > altitudes. The results are consistent with a longer relative lifespan > to their more "restful cousins". then is likely that travel faster than light we cant have an elongated zero size particle > > http://www.edu-observatory.org/physics-faq/Relativity/SR/experiments.... > > David A. Smith
From: dlzc on 16 May 2010 13:44 Dear eon: On May 16, 2:11 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > On May 15, 8:19 pm,dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > On May 15, 2:57 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 14, 8:17 pm,dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > ... > > > > > you mean using nature to detect nature, > > > > > > or is observation is something else? > > > > > See the bit about langauge above. > > > > and lets say that the atmospheric > > > pressure would be twice higher, the > > > muon would experience less time dilation > > > and length contraction > > > > how do you like it? > > > > seems to me that space must be rigid > > > I accept that you believe that all paths > > from your house to a store should all be > > the same distance, and that there is no > > distance between you and a tall tower > > that will let you view the entire tower > > between your thumb and forefinger, but > > Nature clearly does not feel that way. > > > This is all that relativity says, is that > > the path you follow through 4D spacetime, > > determines the distance you measure, > > regardless of measurement method > > (parallax, time-of-flight, destination > > properties). > > > Moving at different speeds, puts you on > > a different path... > > not convinced, this path must be a model, > not real When you enter this restaurant, you either eat the food that Nature provides, or get busy making your own. We don't have access to "Real", all we have access to is measurement. > the shortest path is a line, and i follow the > line, disregard the speed Very true, you follow the path of maximal aging. And when you are accelerated to a different speed, your path is maximal aging for that path. > according to what you just said, the shortest > path would be along the line at a speed of > infinity !!! With space being unfolded from time and c (perhaps), and c being really, really fast, you are pretty close. > then the point of departure would coincide > with the point of destination, ant the path > will reduce to a point, which is zero True for matter. > > By the way, muons and muon fluxes have been > > measured at many different altitudes. The > > results are consistent with a longer > > relative lifespan to their more "restful > > cousins". > > then is likely that travel faster than light We measure them between a series of plates, known distances apart. They travel just under c. > we cant have an elongated zero size particle Zero times any finite number is still zero. Muons don't appear to be composite particles, in which case... it it won't he "path contracted". David A. Smith
From: eon on 16 May 2010 15:18
On May 16, 7:44 pm, dlzc <dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > Dear eon: > > On May 16, 2:11 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 15, 8:19 pm,dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > On May 15, 2:57 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 14, 8:17 pm,dlzc<dl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > you mean using nature to detect nature, > > > > > > > or is observation is something else? > > > > > > See the bit about langauge above. > > > > > and lets say that the atmospheric > > > > pressure would be twice higher, the > > > > muon would experience less time dilation > > > > and length contraction > > > > > how do you like it? > > > > > seems to me that space must be rigid > > > > I accept that you believe that all paths > > > from your house to a store should all be > > > the same distance, and that there is no > > > distance between you and a tall tower > > > that will let you view the entire tower > > > between your thumb and forefinger, but > > > Nature clearly does not feel that way. > > > > This is all that relativity says, is that > > > the path you follow through 4D spacetime, > > > determines the distance you measure, > > > regardless of measurement method > > > (parallax, time-of-flight, destination > > > properties). > > > > Moving at different speeds, puts you on > > > a different path... > > > not convinced, this path must be a model, > > not real > > When you enter this restaurant, you either eat the food that Nature > provides, or get busy making your own. We don't have access to > "Real", all we have access to is measurement. > > > the shortest path is a line, and i follow the > > line, disregard the speed > > Very true, you follow the path of maximal aging. And when you are > accelerated to a different speed, your path is maximal aging for that > path. why not minimal aging, the clock tick slower > > > according to what you just said, the shortest > > path would be along the line at a speed of > > infinity !!! > > With space being unfolded from time and c (perhaps), and c being > really, really fast, you are pretty close. > > > then the point of departure would coincide > > with the point of destination, ant the path > > will reduce to a point, which is zero > > True for matter. > > > > By the way, muons and muon fluxes have been > > > measured at many different altitudes. The > > > results are consistent with a longer > > > relative lifespan to their more "restful > > > cousins". > > > then is likely that travel faster than light > > We measure them between a series of plates, known distances apart. > They travel just under c. > > > we cant have an elongated zero size particle > > Zero times any finite number is still zero. Muons don't appear to be > composite particles, in which case... it it won't he "path > contracted". > > David A. Smith you are right, i come to think that infinite speed is also wrong, as soon as something gets infinite speed, it is not infinite anymore, in any case, it can be much faster than 300.000 km/sec |