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From: BURT on 9 Feb 2010 22:34 On Feb 9, 5:47 pm, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 9, 4:46 pm, "whoever" <whoe...(a)whereever.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "BradGuth" <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:674cafe5-afb1-44b6-9a22-1816fcb45c6a(a)u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com.... > > > > On Feb 6, 10:57 am, "HVAC" <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> "Sanny" <softtank...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >>news:a1c75804-b3d2-4784-84f8-c91feea8fba5(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > > > >> > Until now I used to agree that Speed of light is constant = "C" As it > > >> > has been seen by experiments. > > > >> That is in a perfect vacuum. > > > >> Light can be slowed to almost a stop. > > > >> As for the rest of your post, remember the relativistic > > >> properties of anything aproaching C. That's why the > > >> closing speed of 2 photons in a vacuum is still C. > > > >> > But a few minutes back I got an idea. > > > >> > 1. Light is a wave. It is a sine wave with Magnetic & Electric fields > > >> > orthogonal. > > > >> > Since a Sine wave is a curve. > > > >> > The shortest distance between two points is straight line. It takes > > >> > longer if you go up and down in curves. > > > >> > Lets imagine a light wave with amplitude "x" and wavelength "w" > > > >> > Now we say light travels a distance of Wavelength "w" at speed of "C" > > > >> > But since sine wave is a curve the perimeter of movement is larger > > >> > than the wavelength. > > > >> > When we increase the frequency of light the parameter enlarges even > > >> > further as the amplitude has risen. > > > >> > So higher frequency light has to travel a longer distance. As the sine > > >> > curve is more enlongated away from center. > > > >> > So Light wave moves up and down at a speed faster than "C" > > > >> > Now we assume another case an Electron is fired at speed of "c" The > > >> > electron too travel like a wave. So electron will go up and down in > > >> > sine wave. > > > >> > So reality is speed of electron is more than "c" As the sine wave is > > >> > curved. > > > >> > I hope my analogy is understood by all. If not let me try to speak in > > >> > more detail. > > > >> > So an electron/ Light travelling at speed "c" is actually moving > > >> > faster than "c" as it goes up and down the sine curves. > > > >> > The shortest distance between two points is straight line. It takes > > >> > longer if you go up and down in curves. > > > >> > So if an electron is moving at speed "c" It is actually moving faster > > >> > than "c" > > > >> > Bye > > >> > Sanny > > > >> > Chat with Computer:http://www.GetClub.com/Version2.0 > > > > Gravity is much faster than c > > > What makes you think that? > > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...(a)netfront.net --- > > Gravity existed first. The hypersphere existed first because God created the round fourth dimension. Mitch Raemsch > > Gravity is a constant (unlike photons, mass of universe doesn't > change) There is a rule by which God creates gravity which doesn't change. > > What's the problem if the velocity of gravity were 2c, or faster > (<9e16 m/s)? > > What makes you think gravity is any slower than 2c? > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Mass moves below the speed of light so its gravity field surrounding it moves with it simultaneous below light speed. .. This is like the nonlocalness of light. Mitch Raemsch
From: artful on 10 Feb 2010 00:04 On Feb 10, 12:47 pm, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 9, 4:46 pm, "whoever" <whoe...(a)whereever.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "BradGuth" <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:674cafe5-afb1-44b6-9a22-1816fcb45c6a(a)u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com.... > > > > On Feb 6, 10:57 am, "HVAC" <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> "Sanny" <softtank...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >>news:a1c75804-b3d2-4784-84f8-c91feea8fba5(a)k36g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > > > >> > Until now I used to agree that Speed of light is constant = "C" As it > > >> > has been seen by experiments. > > > >> That is in a perfect vacuum. > > > >> Light can be slowed to almost a stop. > > > >> As for the rest of your post, remember the relativistic > > >> properties of anything aproaching C. That's why the > > >> closing speed of 2 photons in a vacuum is still C. > > > >> > But a few minutes back I got an idea. > > > >> > 1. Light is a wave. It is a sine wave with Magnetic & Electric fields > > >> > orthogonal. > > > >> > Since a Sine wave is a curve. > > > >> > The shortest distance between two points is straight line. It takes > > >> > longer if you go up and down in curves. > > > >> > Lets imagine a light wave with amplitude "x" and wavelength "w" > > > >> > Now we say light travels a distance of Wavelength "w" at speed of "C" > > > >> > But since sine wave is a curve the perimeter of movement is larger > > >> > than the wavelength. > > > >> > When we increase the frequency of light the parameter enlarges even > > >> > further as the amplitude has risen. > > > >> > So higher frequency light has to travel a longer distance. As the sine > > >> > curve is more enlongated away from center. > > > >> > So Light wave moves up and down at a speed faster than "C" > > > >> > Now we assume another case an Electron is fired at speed of "c" The > > >> > electron too travel like a wave. So electron will go up and down in > > >> > sine wave. > > > >> > So reality is speed of electron is more than "c" As the sine wave is > > >> > curved. > > > >> > I hope my analogy is understood by all. If not let me try to speak in > > >> > more detail. > > > >> > So an electron/ Light travelling at speed "c" is actually moving > > >> > faster than "c" as it goes up and down the sine curves. > > > >> > The shortest distance between two points is straight line. It takes > > >> > longer if you go up and down in curves. > > > >> > So if an electron is moving at speed "c" It is actually moving faster > > >> > than "c" > > > >> > Bye > > >> > Sanny > > > >> > Chat with Computer:http://www.GetClub.com/Version2.0 > > > > Gravity is much faster than c > > > What makes you think that? > > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...(a)netfront.net --- > > Gravity existed first. Totally irrelevant .. and spacetime (which determines c) existed before gravity anyway. > Gravity is a constant (unlike photons, mass of universe doesn't > change) Totally irrelevant > What's the problem if the velocity of gravity were 2c, or faster > (<9e16 m/s)? It means gravity would be seen to travel backwarsd in time according to some observers > What makes you think gravity is any slower than 2c? Because it being faster than c would mean it contradicts relativity which has c as the fastest rate for exchanging information. One could then use gravity to communicate faster than the maximum speed, which is a contradiction. You have any acutal valid physics reasons why gravity is faster than c .. and how much faster? is it instantaneous, if notthen it must have a finite limit .. why is that limit different to the finite limit of other velocities .. ie 'c'.
From: HVAC on 10 Feb 2010 06:23 "BURT" <macromitch(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bbc95e2d-12a2-416c-aa39-29da5f6b4ac4(a)s25g2000prd.googlegroups.com... There is a fast C in the faster time rate of low gravity. The Pioneer Anomoly is explained by the effect of low gravity.. Mitch Raemsch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Huh?
From: BradGuth on 12 Feb 2010 22:17 On Feb 9, 11:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Again, I prefer the concept of a photon as a directed/pointed wave > which when detected collapses into a quantum of aether and as a wave I > think it is reflected, but there doesn't seem to be any way possible > to be sure one way or the other. I tend to think of atoms as FIFO photon nodes that either hold, convert or pass along the same photon. ~ BG
From: Day Brown on 14 Feb 2010 14:53
Double-A wrote: >> Straight lines are defined as the shortest path between two points. These >> exist in cuved space as well. > > > Question is, how do you define "shortest path"? How many dimensions do I get to employ? Some quantum experiments suggest the shortest path is zero. |