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From: H-Man on 29 Jun 2010 12:07 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:17:36 GMT, Dustin Cook wrote: > Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in > news:Xns9DA43E343A1FAbearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net: > >> poutnik <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in >> news:MPG.269106f0bb87e26298993e(a)localhost: >> >>> In article <Xns9DA34E095E725bearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net>, >>> bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com says... >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> As you know, mail servers host the mail - all are webmail. >>> >>> Some servers are not webmail. >>> >>> >> >> Ha. The point is, you need access to the Internet to access your mail no >> matter what you call it. > > But, that doesn't mean they're all webmail. I have my own email server here > on another machine, and it's a standard pop3/smtp interface. No webmail > provided. No webpage you can login to to "check" your email. Dustin, Of course you are correct. A POP3 server is different than an IMAP server which is different again from a webmail server. They can all use the same email store, but they are without a doubt different animals. It is not uncommon for some people to think they are all the same because they can use the same email store, but they are different interfaces and are in fact different servers. Based on BB's comments, I think his point was that you still require internet access to get to your email. This is also open for debate as exceptions exist there as well, but for the most part, he would be correct. Often he will make a global statement like "all are webmail", either not understanding that the term has a definition that makes his statement false. He won't admit openly his statement was incorrect but will rather indicate he intended something else. I'm still trying to figure out what he does and does not understand. You kinda have to read between the lines. When he makes a global statement like "Between Thunderbird and Gmail...Gmail is better...which makes it the best" you have to understand that all he can offer is his opinion and what is better for him. Again, he can't speak for either me or for anyone else, because for me, TBird / lightning is the best. For some of my employees, Outlook [OT] is the best. In Linux I liked Evolution until I started using TBird in Windows. Now I use TBird for both. It makes syncing easier. -- HK
From: Dustin Cook on 29 Jun 2010 18:36 Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in news:Xns9DA6350B7A6ABbearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net: > Dustin Cook <bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com> wrote in > news:Xns9DA5ED3BD7BC4HHI2948AJD832(a)69.16.185.247: > >> Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in >> news:Xns9DA43E343A1FAbearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net: >> >>> poutnik <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in >>> news:MPG.269106f0bb87e26298993e(a)localhost: >>> >>>> In article <Xns9DA34E095E725bearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net>, >>>> bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com says... >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As you know, mail servers host the mail - all are webmail. >>>> >>>> Some servers are not webmail. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Ha. The point is, you need access to the Internet to access your >>> mail no matter what you call it. >> >> But, that doesn't mean they're all webmail. I have my own email >> server here on another machine, and it's a standard pop3/smtp >> interface. No webmail provided. No webpage you can login to to >> "check" your email. >> > Certainly the exception Dustin. There are always exceptions as you > well know. However, you still need an Internet connection to collect > it so the point is moot. Umm, no, actually; I don't need an internet connection to collect my email. I could just copy the files to a shared folder, or use the LAN ip (never talking on the net). Several options. Web mail is just an interface option for people, Bear. -- I'm just an ordinary average guy. My friends are all boring, and so am I. We're just ordinary average guys. We all lead ordinary lives, with average kids and average wifes. We all go bowling at the bowling lanes; drink a few beers bowl a few frames. We're just ordinary average guys.
From: Dustin Cook on 29 Jun 2010 18:39 H-Man <Spam(a)bites.fs> wrote in news:4c2a1a53$0$65854$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:17:36 GMT, Dustin Cook wrote: > >> Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in >> news:Xns9DA43E343A1FAbearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net: >> >>> poutnik <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in >>> news:MPG.269106f0bb87e26298993e(a)localhost: >>> >>>> In article <Xns9DA34E095E725bearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net>, >>>> bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com says... >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As you know, mail servers host the mail - all are webmail. >>>> >>>> Some servers are not webmail. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Ha. The point is, you need access to the Internet to access your >>> mail no matter what you call it. >> >> But, that doesn't mean they're all webmail. I have my own email >> server here on another machine, and it's a standard pop3/smtp >> interface. No webmail provided. No webpage you can login to to >> "check" your email. > > Dustin, > > Of course you are correct. A POP3 server is different than an IMAP > server which is different again from a webmail server. They can all > use the same email store, but they are without a doubt different > animals. It is not uncommon for some people to think they are all the > same because they can use the same email store, but they are different > interfaces and are in fact different servers. Yep. > Based on BB's comments, I think his point was that you still require > internet access to get to your email. This is also open for debate as > exceptions exist there as well, but for the most part, he would be > correct. Often he will make a global statement like "all are webmail", I don't require internet access. the email server is on the same LAN. I can connect via an internal IP, never talking on the internet, or just copy the mail files (it stores emails seperate as text files) to another machine for reading with notepad. *g*. I'm just being anal by describing a couple of other non internet ways I can connect/communicate with it. :) I understand your point. > either not understanding that the term has a definition that makes his > statement false. He won't admit openly his statement was incorrect but > will rather indicate he intended something else. I'm still trying to > figure out what he does and does not understand. You kinda have to > read between the lines. When he makes a global statement like "Between > Thunderbird and Gmail...Gmail is better...which makes it the best" you > have to understand that all he can offer is his opinion and what is > better for him. Again, he can't speak for either me or for anyone > else, because for me, TBird / lightning is the best. For some of my > employees, Outlook [OT] is the best. In Linux I liked Evolution until > I started using TBird in Windows. Now I use TBird for both. It makes > syncing easier. I've always been a Pegasus fan myself, but I understand your points. Thanks for your comments. -- I'm just an ordinary average guy. My friends are all boring, and so am I. We're just ordinary average guys. We all lead ordinary lives, with average kids and average wifes. We all go bowling at the bowling lanes; drink a few beers bowl a few frames. We're just ordinary average guys.
From: Dustin Cook on 29 Jun 2010 20:01 Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in news:Xns9DA6BD3BF8AA0bearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net: > Dustin Cook <bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com> wrote in > news:Xns9DA6BD9F8F877HHI2948AJD832(a)69.16.185.247: > >> Umm, no, actually; I don't need an internet connection to collect my >> email. I could just copy the files to a shared folder, or use the LAN > ip >> (never talking on the net). Several options. Web mail is just an >> interface option for people, Bear. > > Exactly, email comes via the Internet to a server which we access to > read it on the server or download it to our PC to read it. Without the > Internet you get no email to the server, so some of your point is > confusing. It is a moot point. There is little difference of which is > being debated. BB, email doesn't always come from the internet. Sometimes, it's generated and stays local only. -- I'm just an ordinary average guy. My friends are all boring, and so am I. We're just ordinary average guys. We all lead ordinary lives, with average kids and average wifes. We all go bowling at the bowling lanes; drink a few beers bowl a few frames. We're just ordinary average guys.
From: Dustin Cook on 29 Jun 2010 20:02
Bear Bottoms <bearbottoms1(a)gmai.com> wrote in news:Xns9DA6BD5852880bearbottoms1gmaicom(a)news.albasani.net: > Dustin Cook <bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com> wrote in > news:Xns9DA6BE2397E6AHHI2948AJD832(a)69.16.185.250: > >> I don't require internet access. the email server is on the same LAN. >> I can connect via an internal IP, never talking on the internet, or >> just copy the mail files (it stores emails seperate as text files) to >> another machine for reading with notepad. *g*. > > How would email I send to you get to your server? It wouldn't. It's a closed server. IE: The firewall has no mappings for it to talk outside of the LAN. It's configured to only acknowledge connections coming from the LAN as well. -- I'm just an ordinary average guy. My friends are all boring, and so am I. We're just ordinary average guys. We all lead ordinary lives, with average kids and average wifes. We all go bowling at the bowling lanes; drink a few beers bowl a few frames. We're just ordinary average guys. |