Logos, images, embedded in email messages?
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From: Jolly Roger on 16 Mar 2010 12:03 In article <drache-C4829E.10424216032010(a)news.eternal-september.org>, erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <jollyroger-CA5FE3.09014116032010(a)news.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > > > In article > > <siegman-E8381A.21333715032010(a)bmedcfsc-srv02.tufts.ad.tufts.edu>, > > AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote: > > > > > In article <tom_stiller-60533D.15105315032010(a)news.individual.net>, > > > Tom Stiller <tom_stiller(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The OP is not talking about HTML, but LOGOs which get sent as > > > > attachments to the message. My daughter does that and I hate it. > > > > > > The OP (me) asked about logos (.gif file) which are *embedded in the > > > message* and show as part of the message text -- not attachments > > > > If they aren't attachments, what are they? It could be they are simply > > images hosted on some web server somewhere. Perhaps you should place a > > sample message online so we can examine it to see exactly what you are > > talking about. > > Sounds like the stupid "stationery" my youngest sister uses 8-) I've used those; they have attachments. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
From: erilar on 16 Mar 2010 12:31 In article <jollyroger-442B2A.11034516032010(a)news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote: > In article <drache-C4829E.10424216032010(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > > Sounds like the stupid "stationery" my youngest sister uses 8-) > > I've used those; they have attachments. I know; they used to clutter up my attachments folder when I was using Eudora, back before I bought this laptop and decided to use mail.app rather than buy an upgrade for Eudora. I tend to save mail, so I had to clean out the piled-up images I had no use for. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist http://www.mosaictelecom.com/~erilarlo
From: BreadWithSpam on 16 Mar 2010 12:47 AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> writes: > Tom, at least in preparing and sending email messages in Eudora, I can > drag image and document files into the body of the email, where they > will be visible, selectable, and clearly part of the message, and I can > also drag the same images and document files into the Attachments: > header, where only the name shows in the header line. In both cases, the content of the images is attached as an additional part of the multipart MIME message. In the case of one which shows up as an "attachment" (in your parlance here) is that there's no <IMG> tag in the body pointing to that attached message-part saying to display it inline. Effectively, there are three ways to have images in one's e-mail: One -- the e-mail is formatted as HTML and the IMG tags point to an external server somewhere. This is efficient in that the mail message is small. But it's also potentially very wasteful of bandwidth in that if you open that same image more than once without your mailer caching the image, it'll have to download that image multiple times. It's also a potential violation of privacy, inasmuch as the server from which the image is downloaded knows that you've downloaded it and may get identifying information from your computer when your computer asks for the image. That's why you can easily block these kinds of images (and why lots of folks were pissed off at earlier mailers which defaulted to not blocking them). Two -- the e-mail is formatted as HTML and the IMG tag points to an additional part of the MIME (Multipart message). Using MIME, an e-mail message may contain multiple parts - things like both a plaintext as well as an HTML version of the message itself, as well as other attached files. If the HTML IMG tag points to one of those parts, your mailer will display the image containd in that part inline, formatted as the HTML suggests it should. You seem to be calling this version "embedded". Some mailers will download and store the image in a downloads folder and some won't. Three -- the e-mail is, again, formattted as a multipart message, and, HTML or not, the image is in one of those parts and NOT referenced by an IMG tag in the body of the message. In this case, your mailer may or may not show that image when you open the message, but if it does, it'll probablly just be tacked on at the end, since there's no HTML telling Mail where within the message to place the image. Your mailer again may or may not automatically save the image as a separate file on your disk. This is what happens if you, say, compose a plaintext e-mail and attach an image to it. Or if you use the "attachments" line. And, of course, this is not limited to images - this is how you mail a Word doc or a spreadsheet or whatever. Anyway, in the cases of two and three -- "attached" and "embedded" as you say -- there's not much you can do except either block the sender, get the sender to stop doing that, or use a mailer which doesn't save the images separately unless/until you ask. Apple's Mail.app doesn't save these separately unless you ask. I don't think Thunderbird does, either, but I don't know for sure, as I tried it out and went back to Mail. If what you've said is true, then Eudora is not giving you control over this as you'd like. IIRC, Eudora has lots more preferences available than are accessible in the GUI. You may actually be able to get it to do what you want by tweaking one of the settings files. But I haven't used Eudora in a very very very long time, so it may be a whole different ball of wax nowadays then it was when I used it last. HTH. -- Plain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting
From: BreadWithSpam on 16 Mar 2010 12:50 erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> writes: > You may have answered a question I've had for ages: I have a couple > moderately computer-cluless friends who send me multiply-forwarded > image-heavy more-or-less funny things that have embedded images in the > messages trailed by a second copy of all the images with no message. It > sounds as if someone along the line is doing something like this. Often they are forwarding by attaching the entire original message as an attachment. And then quoting the entire original message as well. Unfortunately, it's too easy for the clueless to really mangle messages. It'd be nice if one had to go out of one's way to really screw them up, perhaps by having "forward" disabled unless someone learns how to activate it. Or at least having "forward" somewhat crippled (ie. no attachments, plaintext only?) unless and until someone uncripples it (ie. demonstrates cluefullness). -- Plain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting
From: Jolly Roger on 16 Mar 2010 13:15
In article <yoby6hsciwz.fsf(a)panix1.panix.com>, BreadWithSpam(a)fractious.net wrote: > AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> writes: > > > Tom, at least in preparing and sending email messages in Eudora, I can > > drag image and document files into the body of the email, where they > > will be visible, selectable, and clearly part of the message, and I can > > also drag the same images and document files into the Attachments: > > header, where only the name shows in the header line. > > In both cases, the content of the images is attached as an > additional part of the multipart MIME message. In the case > of one which shows up as an "attachment" (in your parlance > here) is that there's no <IMG> tag in the body pointing to > that attached message-part saying to display it inline. > > Effectively, there are three ways to have images in one's > e-mail: > (snip) > > Anyway, in the cases of two and three -- "attached" and > "embedded" as you say -- there's not much you can do except > either block the sender, get the sender to stop doing that, > or use a mailer which doesn't save the images separately > unless/until you ask. ....or write a script that will remove such attachments or remove content parts containing them. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR |