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From: Jan Panteltje on 19 Jan 2010 14:46 On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:57:51 GMT) it happened nico(a)puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b55e3ef.847047828(a)news.planet.nl>: >Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:52:10 GMT) it happened nico(a)puntnl.niks >>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b54c708.774112562(a)news.planet.nl>: >> >>>> >>>>No, this is true, why bother with ARM when you can get a good small mobo for <70 Euro? >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Moederborden_Socket_441/ASRock/A330GC/-1079713/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Moederborden&l2=Intel&l3=Socket+Atom >>>>8 Watt! >>> >>>Now you are trying to sell me a car without seats and tires. >> >>If you need an embedded solution, and have space, there is time to market, >>design cost, and cost of software tools. >>This is 90 % of all that of the shelf for 70 Euro. >> >>If you design from scratch (with any processor), and say need >>USB >>PCI >>Par port >>serial >>SATA >>then you are in for a lot more, a LOT more. > >I was comparing an off-the-shelf solution to your off-the-shelf >solution. Then mine came a out a whole lot better :-)
From: krw on 19 Jan 2010 18:09 On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:53:54 -0800, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:51:31 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:08:06 GMT) it happened nico(a)puntnl.niks >>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b538770.692296890(a)news.planet.nl>: >> >>>>Why move? PICs last as long as the FLASH last, so does your ARM. >>>>>without rewriting from scratch if you have to. >>>> >>>>Product lifetime... think about it. >>> >>>Changing product requirements? Products getting obsolete? A lot of >>>people don't realize it but for companies that do software development >>>the software is the most valuable asset the company owns in terms of >>>investment. Having to rewrite and retest known-good-code is a huge >>>waste of money. >> >>That is why PICs are so nice, they have been around for ages, >>Microchip keeps making them, the old architectures are still around >>after all this time, very easy to add a feature, I just did that yesterday. >>Unlike some other manufacturers who obsolete architectures and chips on an almost weekly basis. >>Or have great chips on paper that you cannot buy anywhere however (Xilinx comes to mind), >>ridiculously expensive if you have to get low quantities,. >>No foe me PIC anytime, they are the work horse of industry. >>ARM is just an obscure idea that has been trying to make mainstream for years, and never succeeded. >>They have good a PR team perhaps. >>The next step up after a PIC is a x86 mobo for embedded systems. > >Then how come it is still not that common in embedded systems. The 80186/8 were quite popular in the embedded space.
From: RogerN on 20 Jan 2010 06:39 "David L. Jones" <altzone(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:kzw3n.7124$nR4.2684(a)newsfe01.iad... > RogerN wrote: >> Years back I played some with PIC microcontrollers but I've heard that >> manufacturers are making better microcontrollers for less money. > > Yes, PIC included. They have everything from 8bit 6pin chips that cost > cents, to 32bit processors that cost about $5. > >> Not looking for professional ICE or anything but maybe something >> competitive with Microchips in circuit programmer/debugger. I was >> considering buying Microchips ICD3 with PICDEM 2 board for $230, > > Forget the ICD3, the PICkit3 is all you need for program and debug, it's > essentially the same as the ICD3 but much cheaper. > The PICkit 3 on it's own is only $45, or a bit more with a demo board > included. > See my review: > http://www.eevblog.com/2009/10/21/eevblog-39-pickit-3-programmerdebugger-review/ > Don't take in all the negative stuff, that's only in comparison to the > older PICkit2, it's actually a good programmer/debugger and is all you > will need. > > Atmel have a similar priced ISP programmer, but it doesn't do debug. > > Don't touch third party or kit programmers, really, they are not worth the > hassle. > >> but >> thought maybe something would be a better choice. I'm considering >> Atmels line but wanted some input on others worth checking into. > > Atmel and PIC are essentially the "big two" (argue away...), you'd > probably only go with something else unless you have a specific need. > >> Any recommendations on favorite microcontrollers that I can get up an >> running with for a reasonable amount of dollars? > > The Arduino is arguably the easiest system to get up and running, and it's > all the rage, see my review: > http://www.eevblog.com/2009/11/21/eevblog-45-arduino-picaxe-and-idiot-assembler-programmers/ > It uses an Atmel. > There is the PICAXE too, but you probably want something more than that. > > All other raw micros (PIC, AVR, MSP430 etc) and their associated > development systems are about as equally annoying to get running for the > beginner. > > Dave. > > -- > ================================================ > Check out my Electronics Engineering Video Blog & Podcast: > http://www.eevblog.com I'm glad I watched your video, because of that I bought the PIC18 starter kit that came with the PICKit 2. The PICKit 2 works great, but the PICKit 3 doesn't work, sometimes I get a Read to work but if I try to program or debug I get errors. I swap the PICKit 2, works fine, PICKit 3, power on, various errors depending on what you try to do. RogerN
From: Nico Coesel on 20 Jan 2010 13:41 Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:57:51 GMT) it happened nico(a)puntnl.niks >(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b55e3ef.847047828(a)news.planet.nl>: > >>Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:52:10 GMT) it happened nico(a)puntnl.niks >>>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b54c708.774112562(a)news.planet.nl>: >>> >>>>> >>>>>No, this is true, why bother with ARM when you can get a good small mobo for <70 Euro? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Moederborden_Socket_441/ASRock/A330GC/-1079713/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Moederborden&l2=Intel&l3=Socket+Atom >>>>>8 Watt! >>>> >>>>Now you are trying to sell me a car without seats and tires. >>> >>>If you need an embedded solution, and have space, there is time to market, >>>design cost, and cost of software tools. >>>This is 90 % of all that of the shelf for 70 Euro. >>> >>>If you design from scratch (with any processor), and say need >>>USB >>>PCI >>>Par port >>>serial >>>SATA >>>then you are in for a lot more, a LOT more. >> >>I was comparing an off-the-shelf solution to your off-the-shelf >>solution. > >Then mine came a out a whole lot better :-) If more expensive is better... -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico(a)nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------
From: Jan Panteltje on 20 Jan 2010 13:56
On a sunny day (Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:41:50 GMT) it happened nico(a)puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b574e1a.939762656(a)news.planet.nl>: >Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:57:51 GMT) it happened nico(a)puntnl.niks >>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b55e3ef.847047828(a)news.planet.nl>: >> >>>Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:52:10 GMT) it happened nico(a)puntnl.niks >>>>(Nico Coesel) wrote in <4b54c708.774112562(a)news.planet.nl>: >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>No, this is true, why bother with ARM when you can get a good small mobo for <70 Euro? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Moederborden_Socket_441/ASRock/A330GC/-1079713/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Moederborden&l2=Intel&l3=Socket+Atom >>>>>>8 Watt! >>>>> >>>>>Now you are trying to sell me a car without seats and tires. >>>> >>>>If you need an embedded solution, and have space, there is time to market, >>>>design cost, and cost of software tools. >>>>This is 90 % of all that of the shelf for 70 Euro. >>>> >>>>If you design from scratch (with any processor), and say need >>>>USB >>>>PCI >>>>Par port >>>>serial >>>>SATA >>>>then you are in for a lot more, a LOT more. >>> >>>I was comparing an off-the-shelf solution to your off-the-shelf >>>solution. >> >>Then mine came a out a whole lot better :-) > >If more expensive is better... More features is better, for example a babana is cheaper, but has less features. |