MAPS vs Technet
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From: Joe#2 on 11 May 2010 20:04 Susan, I went to the maps site and they indeed mention that Technet will be a part of MAPS minus the Free incident support feature. Are all of the detail yet to be worked out? Do you think they are going to revamp the MAPS licencing to reflect Technet features of is it just going to give additional access to technet support archives? Man, These changes are getting hard to track. "Joe#2" wrote: > I've been looking over the information on Technet and it has no limitation > on time. One of their "selling points" is "no time limitation. It is also > not restricted as to where it is used. Business or work is permitted. Yes it > is for evaluation use, but the only way you can evaluate it is to use it. > Home server is a case in point. To evaluate it you have to use it to backup > sesktops or servers that are in use somewhere! > "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.265365de3567b3d98a349(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > > In article <uMtRdrS8KHA.3516(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, > > joe_stoneham(a)homail.com says... > >> > >> I'm winding down my busness and going into semi retirement. Consequently > >> I > >> am looking to cut back on my expensies. I do plan to contain my partner > >> status as long as microsoft will let me however. I don't really plan on > >> retiring from the profession as long as I can keep a few customers. As > >> part > >> of my business, I've been subscribing to both technet and MAPS for the > >> last > >> few years. MAPS has been required to stay in the Small Business > >> Specialist > >> of course. > >> > >> As I understand it, I will have to uninstall all of my Action Pac > >> software > >> etc, if I drop the MAPS subscription, I won't be able to use the Small > >> Business Specialist logo on my cards etc. Correct? > >> > >> However I am not required to do this on my technet subscription. I get to > >> continue its use even if I drop that package. > >> > >> Consequently, It would seem to me that from a business sense, the Technet > >> subscription would be the most logical subscription to keep if I had to > >> cut > >> back to only one subscription. > >> > >> Comments appreciated. > > > > Both subscriptions (MAPS/TN) are yearly subscriptions that are only > > valid as long as you maintain your subscription - yearly renewal. > > > > The difference between TechNet and MAPS is that MAPS can be used for > > PRODUCTION for your OWN business, Technet can only be used for testing > > and evaluation. > > > > " > > TechNet Plus Direct and TechNet Plus Single User are licensed to > > individuals. Software provided through the subscription is for > > evaluation purposes and cannot be used in a live production environment. > > > > Important: Prices listed are Estimated Retail Prices (ERP) in US dollars > > for a one-year subscription and do not include applicable taxes. > > Organizations should contact their Microsoft representative or preferred > > reseller for Volume Licensing prices. > > " > > > > MAPS is a better solution than Technet if you run a business or have > > ANYTHING that could be considered production. > > > > -- > > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > > Trust yourself. > > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) > > > . >
From: Susan Bradley on 11 May 2010 20:32 My impression is that I'll get a Technet login separate from my MAPS but I'll let you know on May 24th :-) Joe#2 wrote: > Susan, > I went to the maps site and they indeed mention that Technet will be a part > of MAPS minus the Free incident support feature. Are all of the detail yet > to be worked out? Do you think they are going to revamp the MAPS licencing to > reflect Technet features of is it just going to give additional access to > technet support archives? > > Man, These changes are getting hard to track. > > "Joe#2" wrote: > > >> I've been looking over the information on Technet and it has no limitation >> on time. One of their "selling points" is "no time limitation. It is also >> not restricted as to where it is used. Business or work is permitted. Yes it >> is for evaluation use, but the only way you can evaluate it is to use it. >> Home server is a case in point. To evaluate it you have to use it to backup >> sesktops or servers that are in use somewhere! >> "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.265365de3567b3d98a349(a)us.news.astraweb.com... >> >>> In article <uMtRdrS8KHA.3516(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, >>> joe_stoneham(a)homail.com says... >>> >>>> I'm winding down my busness and going into semi retirement. Consequently >>>> I >>>> am looking to cut back on my expensies. I do plan to contain my partner >>>> status as long as microsoft will let me however. I don't really plan on >>>> retiring from the profession as long as I can keep a few customers. As >>>> part >>>> of my business, I've been subscribing to both technet and MAPS for the >>>> last >>>> few years. MAPS has been required to stay in the Small Business >>>> Specialist >>>> of course. >>>> >>>> As I understand it, I will have to uninstall all of my Action Pac >>>> software >>>> etc, if I drop the MAPS subscription, I won't be able to use the Small >>>> Business Specialist logo on my cards etc. Correct? >>>> >>>> However I am not required to do this on my technet subscription. I get to >>>> continue its use even if I drop that package. >>>> >>>> Consequently, It would seem to me that from a business sense, the Technet >>>> subscription would be the most logical subscription to keep if I had to >>>> cut >>>> back to only one subscription. >>>> >>>> Comments appreciated. >>>> >>> Both subscriptions (MAPS/TN) are yearly subscriptions that are only >>> valid as long as you maintain your subscription - yearly renewal. >>> >>> The difference between TechNet and MAPS is that MAPS can be used for >>> PRODUCTION for your OWN business, Technet can only be used for testing >>> and evaluation. >>> >>> " >>> TechNet Plus Direct and TechNet Plus Single User are licensed to >>> individuals. Software provided through the subscription is for >>> evaluation purposes and cannot be used in a live production environment. >>> >>> Important: Prices listed are Estimated Retail Prices (ERP) in US dollars >>> for a one-year subscription and do not include applicable taxes. >>> Organizations should contact their Microsoft representative or preferred >>> reseller for Volume Licensing prices. >>> " >>> >>> MAPS is a better solution than Technet if you run a business or have >>> ANYTHING that could be considered production. >>> >>> -- >>> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little >>> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. >>> Trust yourself. >>> spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >>> >> . >> >>
From: Leythos on 11 May 2010 20:58 In article <uo9Xm#V8KHA.980(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, joe_stoneham(a)homail.com says... > I've been looking over the information on Technet and it has no limitation > on time. One of their "selling points" is "no time limitation. It is also > not restricted as to where it is used. Business or work is permitted. Yes it > is for evaluation use, but the only way you can evaluate it is to use it. > Home server is a case in point. To evaluate it you have to use it to backup > sesktops or servers that are in use somewhere! > You're playing the game - Technet is for testing and using it to run your home network on, that you use daily, is not really "testing". Technet is NOT for Business/Work, it's for testing, just as the MSDN subscription was. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Cliff Galiher - MVP on 12 May 2010 02:26 You are misinterpreting the "no time limits" feature of technet plus downloads. 1) You can evaluate software *WITHOUT* using it in a live environment. I do it all the time. Download DPM 2010, install it in a virtual machine, join it to a test-lab domain, and run a few scenarios. If DPM fails to back up my test server *at any time* I am only out the time I spent configuring the test lab. If *one scrap* of "real" data or real work is being done on the system then it is being used as a "production" system, at least in part, and that is in violation of technet's evaluation-only EULA. You can try to mentally justify it all you want, but it is dishonest. Yeah, I don't pull punches. 2) Regarding the "no time limits" issue. Go to technet.microsoft.com and make sure you are *not* signed into your Live ID. The technet home landing page (as of today, could be different by the time you read this) has a large graphic to download an evaluation copy of DPM 2010. If you click on that and read the details, you'll see that it is a *180-day* trial. Similarly, other downloads are trial versions with time-bomb limitations. After that 30, 90, or 180 day trial time has passed, the software simply stops working. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. A Technet Plus subscription gets you access to the "real" versions of these products. They don't have the evaluation time-bombs in the code. They don't pop up evaluation reminders constantly. If you are a busy IT person and trying to balance fixing real-world problems, need access to real versions of current and past software for troubleshooting, development, or evaluation purposess, and/or find the time constraints of the time-bomb versions too confining for your current workload, then the Technet Plus "no time limits" versions are a genuine life-saver and of significant value. That does NOT mean, however, that you get to keep using that software if your subscription lapses! The "no time limit" applies to the *type* of software you are downloading. Software is either an "eval" version or a "no time limit" version. It was not intended to, does not refer to, and in no way can be interpreted as (if you actually read the technet subscriber agreement) allowing you to keep the software post-subscription. -Cliff "Joe#2" <joe_stoneham(a)homail.com> wrote in message news:uo9Xm#V8KHA.980(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > I've been looking over the information on Technet and it has no limitation > on time. One of their "selling points" is "no time limitation. It is also > not restricted as to where it is used. Business or work is permitted. Yes > it is for evaluation use, but the only way you can evaluate it is to use > it. Home server is a case in point. To evaluate it you have to use it to > backup sesktops or servers that are in use somewhere! > "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.265365de3567b3d98a349(a)us.news.astraweb.com... >> In article <uMtRdrS8KHA.3516(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, >> joe_stoneham(a)homail.com says... >>> >>> I'm winding down my busness and going into semi retirement. Consequently >>> I >>> am looking to cut back on my expensies. I do plan to contain my partner >>> status as long as microsoft will let me however. I don't really plan on >>> retiring from the profession as long as I can keep a few customers. As >>> part >>> of my business, I've been subscribing to both technet and MAPS for the >>> last >>> few years. MAPS has been required to stay in the Small Business >>> Specialist >>> of course. >>> >>> As I understand it, I will have to uninstall all of my Action Pac >>> software >>> etc, if I drop the MAPS subscription, I won't be able to use the Small >>> Business Specialist logo on my cards etc. Correct? >>> >>> However I am not required to do this on my technet subscription. I get >>> to >>> continue its use even if I drop that package. >>> >>> Consequently, It would seem to me that from a business sense, the >>> Technet >>> subscription would be the most logical subscription to keep if I had to >>> cut >>> back to only one subscription. >>> >>> Comments appreciated. >> >> Both subscriptions (MAPS/TN) are yearly subscriptions that are only >> valid as long as you maintain your subscription - yearly renewal. >> >> The difference between TechNet and MAPS is that MAPS can be used for >> PRODUCTION for your OWN business, Technet can only be used for testing >> and evaluation. >> >> " >> TechNet Plus Direct and TechNet Plus Single User are licensed to >> individuals. Software provided through the subscription is for >> evaluation purposes and cannot be used in a live production environment. >> >> Important: Prices listed are Estimated Retail Prices (ERP) in US dollars >> for a one-year subscription and do not include applicable taxes. >> Organizations should contact their Microsoft representative or preferred >> reseller for Volume Licensing prices. >> " >> >> MAPS is a better solution than Technet if you run a business or have >> ANYTHING that could be considered production. >> >> -- >> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little >> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. >> Trust yourself. >> spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) > >
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