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From: David Ching on 9 Jun 2010 13:20 "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve(a)tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:0sev06h6hoao6kludhj131759aa82oa6gm(a)4ax.com... > It > does seem to be fairly busy but it will never replace the simplicity > and convenience of using this newsgroup. > Nor will it replace the community spirit we have here, what with the emphasis on Please, Please, mark my post as Answer so I get more points! It's more strictly business over there. -- David
From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 9 Jun 2010 13:22 The reason the newsgroup is being discontinued is the consequence of a number of really stupid decisions, all of which were arrived at by people who are unqualified to understand end user needs (if they did, they would have made different decisions!) joe On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 17:16:41 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme <steve(a)tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote: >On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:51:15 -0700, "Tom Serface" <tom(a)camaswood.com> >wrote: > >>Of all of the newsgroups I subscribed to this is the *only* one left. MFC >>is not only still alive, it's newsgroup (one of the most popular over the >>years) continues on until the end of the newsgroup world. >> >>The correlative forum is picking up momentum though so I wonder if it will >>still be here much longer as the post count drops off. >> >>See you here: >> >>http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcmfcatl/threads >> >>One thing I've noticed in the forums (using Internet Explorer) is that IE >>caches the pages so they don't always redraw if I go there again in the same >>Explorer session. Remember to hit the redraw key to see new activity. >>Otherwise, the web interface is not to bad if you don't mind answering >>online. I especially like how it will notify me by email if someone else >>responds to a thread I'm following. >> >>Tom > >I installed Jochen's bridge so I could sample Msdn.en-US.vcmfcatl as a >newsgroup because I can't stand the inconvenience of web forums. It >does seem to be fairly busy but it will never replace the simplicity >and convenience of using this newsgroup. > >Steve Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] email: newcomer(a)flounder.com Web: http://www.flounder.com MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 9 Jun 2010 13:24 See below... On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:38:38 -0700, "Tom Serface" <tom(a)camaswood.com> wrote: >It's easy enough to refresh it periodically and I'm sure they'll work the >kinks out. **** But why didn't they figure this out ahead of time? It is not like it is not obvious...or should have been, to a designer. **** >I just noticed this problem this morning when I said to myself, >"hey I thought I already answered that" and I had. > >FWIW, the newsgroups haven't been without their problems over the years as >well. > >Oh well. I hope you'll try out the web interface and see if you can get >used to it. > >Tom > >"Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in message >news:1ofv06tft2pv7cfs44odnqmbiqh5iuu8ne(a)4ax.com... >> See below... >> On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:51:15 -0700, "Tom Serface" <tom(a)camaswood.com> >> wrote: >> >> This is the inevitable consequence of letting unsupervised children design >> software. >> >> Anyone who knows how a browser cache works would never create a page that >> could change >> behind the browser, but what can you expect when amateurs are allowed to >> create our >> primary interfaces? >> joe >> **** >>>Remember to hit the redraw key to see new activity. >>>Otherwise, the web interface is not to bad if you don't mind answering >>>online. I especially like how it will notify me by email if someone else >>>responds to a thread I'm following. >>> > Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] email: newcomer(a)flounder.com Web: http://www.flounder.com MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Tom Serface on 9 Jun 2010 13:38 Yes, could be. I don't know who made the decision or why they made it. I'm just trying to make lemonade :o) Also, I'm encouraged that the MFC group on the forums seems to be picking up. It means people are still using MFC and it seems to be different people than have posted here. It's just nice to see. Tom "Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in message news:mdjv06l1shog8654g93j235dnqk4hi0c7h(a)4ax.com... > The reason the newsgroup is being discontinued is the consequence of a > number of really > stupid decisions, all of which were arrived at by people who are > unqualified to understand > end user needs (if they did, they would have made different decisions!) > joe
From: Tom Serface on 9 Jun 2010 13:49
You're right about that. My guess is if we posted "talk to each other" messages like we've done here over the years they would quickly be removed by a moderator because they are considered noise. Clearly, Microsoft's attitude about fostering peer to peer "friendship" community has changed. So, I agree with you on that count. I don't think many people are focusing on the "points" thing. Everyone I've talked to thinks it is annoying, but I have to admit it's mostly people like me with very few medals yet :o) This newsgroup has been more than a "forum" to me. I have life long friends from participation here like you, Joe, G, Ajay, Mihai, all the other Davids, Scott, many of whom I've met in person and shared cheesecake. Our camaraderie here has grown beyond just answering tech questions. In the midst of it all we've become friends. I think we will stay friends :o) but I will miss this kind of banter and the chance to talk about other things besides the answer to the immediate question at hand. It's clear that Microsoft wants it to be about business only and that is the direction they are taking us. It may be for a number or reasons (I could only speculate), but that's how it seems to be. FWIW, I think that many non-technical users, will have a better experience on the forums especially now that Windows 7 does not come with a newsgroup reader. They will never be communities, in the same sense, because the moderating is so subjective and Draconian, but most drop-ins looking for answers won't know about that so they won't miss it like we will. They are used to browser interfaces (most companies use the BBS metaphor now for support) and it's easy to point to them using an HTML link. We are pretty tech-savvy so we have a different perspective, but if you consider someone like my wife looking for an answer she'd be much more comfortable with a browser interface. I'm sure they considered all of this in the decision process. Anyway, good news... MFC isn't dead :o) Tom "David Ching" <dc(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> wrote in message news:B4D1F4B9-AFB2-4630-A219-C68CFC42B9EC(a)microsoft.com... > "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve(a)tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > news:0sev06h6hoao6kludhj131759aa82oa6gm(a)4ax.com... >> It >> does seem to be fairly busy but it will never replace the simplicity >> and convenience of using this newsgroup. >> > > Nor will it replace the community spirit we have here, what with the > emphasis on Please, Please, mark my post as Answer so I get more points! > It's more strictly business over there. > > -- David |