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From: David Ching on 11 Jun 2010 12:41 "Pete Delgado" <Peter.Delgado(a)NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:O6bbgFYCLHA.4604(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Do you remember the amount of paper you had to use to print listings in > order to gain an understanding of your own program -let alone someone > else's? The one good thing I recall is that my sed, grep an awk skills > were much better than they are today and making changes in multiple files > took far less time than it does today. Of course, the spectre of > accidently blowing your files away with an errant command was there too! > Oh yeah, I blew away 3 days of work once, and they could find no evidence of system malfunction (this was on a Unix box). I swear I did not do rm -rf! But they were nice and gave me 3 more days to redo it, and it was much better after 2 days. Did you have an Epson MX-80? Loved that rickety thing.... Cheers, David
From: Pete Delgado on 11 Jun 2010 13:33 "David Ching" <dc(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> wrote in message news:eHOFBUYCLHA.4604(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > "Pete Delgado" <Peter.Delgado(a)NoSpam.com> wrote in message > news:O6bbgFYCLHA.4604(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Do you remember the amount of paper you had to use to print listings in >> order to gain an understanding of your own program -let alone someone >> else's? The one good thing I recall is that my sed, grep an awk skills >> were much better than they are today and making changes in multiple files >> took far less time than it does today. Of course, the spectre of >> accidently blowing your files away with an errant command was there too! >> > > Oh yeah, I blew away 3 days of work once, and they could find no evidence > of system malfunction (this was on a Unix box). I swear I did not do > rm -rf! But they were nice and gave me 3 more days to redo it, and it was > much better after 2 days. > > Did you have an Epson MX-80? Loved that rickety thing.... David, It has been so long ago, I can't remember the exact model, but I believe that it was indeed an Epson! I do recall the reams of "computer paper" that I used to buy with the paper feeding holes in it coming up from a box underneath the printer and how little pieces of paper used to always get everywhere! Honestly, when I think about how rapidly things have changed and gotten better and more affordable I am amazed! Laser printers under $100, laptop computers for $300 and the amount of processing power that is available so cheaply! I too have accidently "blown away" source files and strangely enough found that my second or third iteration at a piece of code was usually much better than the original. Seems like this was an early form of refactoring and that once you got past the fact that you had to start over, you learned from the mistakes of your prior code and actually thought more clearly about the problem you were attempting to solve! -Pete
From: Stephen Wolstenholme on 11 Jun 2010 18:11 On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:15:56 -0400, "Pete Delgado" <Peter.Delgado(a)NoSpam.com> wrote: >Do you remember the amount of paper you had to use to print listings in >order to gain an understanding of your own program -let alone someone >else's? I remember getting two foot deep stacks of fanfold paper with bug reports! Reports like "it was in a loop" Steve -- Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com
From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 19 Jun 2010 10:38 It was only terminal idiocy that got rid of customization features. In Office 2007, EVERYTHING I need to do on a second-by-second basis is now four clumsy mouse clicks and nested menus away; in Office 2003, I had custom toolbars with everything I needed. Yes, they have a custom toolbar, but the same terminal idiocy caused them to limit it to an unusably small number of commands. It is like they went around and asked the professional Word and PowerPoint users "What is it you need to work effectively, every day", and when they got the answers, they said "Let's get rid of each of those features, they are only critical to experts". From my viewpoint, Word and PowerPoint are so crippled as to be totally unusable. Alas, any time I don't spend in VS or in one of these newsgroups is spent in Word or PowerPoint. In Office 2010, you can create your own customizable ribbon bar. Now, if only they don't continue the idiocy that says "We know what ribbon bar you want to see, and we are going to change it whether you want us to change it or not..." It is a well-known principle of GUI design that you do NOT surprise the user by changing what they are looking at! This has been known for 30 years (back when user interfaces were done on character-based screens!) Apparently this principle escaped the total fool who put an "Add and Edit" button in the MFC Wizards; whoever did it was obviously never a programmer! joe On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:27:44 -0700, "David Ching" <dc(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> wrote: >"Giovanni Dicanio" <giovanniDOTdicanio(a)REMOVEMEgmail.com> wrote in message >news:u43ssrUCLHA.5584(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Yes, it is using programming... but I was thinking about some form of RAD >> approach built inside Office itself, like it was possible with Office 2003 >> and previous versions for the toolbars. >> > >Outlook 2010 (and I presume other Office 2010 apps) does have a "Customize >Ribbon" dialog that lets you populate a tree containing contents of ribbon >tabs, with the desired commands. > >-- David Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] email: newcomer(a)flounder.com Web: http://www.flounder.com MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 19 Jun 2010 10:40
Anyone who presumes they have the right to nuke discussions has a serious emotional problem. Even those tedious my-code-is-already-perfect discussions. As already pointed out, this is a *community*. We hang out and talk. Anyone who doesn't want to put up with our conversations is free to go to some other part of the bar. joe On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:01:53 -0700, "David Ching" <dc(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> wrote: > >"Giovanni Dicanio" <giovanniDOTdicanio(a)REMOVEMEgmail.com> wrote in message >news:#UnlP3XCLHA.1072(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> thanks for this: I've found it in Word 2010! >> > >I'm glad, G. BTW, this is probably one post that would have gotten nuked on >the forum! :-O So sad.... > >-- David Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] email: newcomer(a)flounder.com Web: http://www.flounder.com MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm |