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From: Woody on 16 Jul 2010 04:50 On 16/07/2010 09:38, T i m wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:20:38 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > >>> >>> Hmm, so no ordinary actual 'right mouse click' then? ;-( >> >> well, the two finger thing gives you a context menu when you click, > > Understood. > >> isnt >> that what you mean? > > 'Secondary mouse options', yes. > >> you cant have an actual right click as there is only >> one button. > > Ah. ;-( Now I thought there might be some 'magic' as with the other > Apple mice I've had where there is no physical left / right buttons > but the function exists (Mighty mouse)? The magic bit is the two finger click. I find it a really natural thing to do now, as opposed to the mighty mouse which I never could get used to. >> Two finger click simulates control click, which is normally what the >> second button is set to do as well when enabled. > > Yes, and what I would 'do' instinctively on any laptop running Win / > Lin and any Mac desktop with a mouse. If not right click on the mouse > then I'd stumble though it other ways as I'm not going to > instinctively go to anything else (as I only deal with this MacBook > rarely). You can always take a mouse with you? Or use ctrl if you can't get used to the two finger thing. Has the advantage that if you can get used to the two figer thing, it also gives you scroll (assuming it is not much older than I am thinking), which is the best way to scroll on any machine with a trackpad. -- Woody
From: T i m on 16 Jul 2010 05:28 On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:50:44 +0100, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: >>> you cant have an actual right click as there is only >>> one button. >> >> Ah. ;-( Now I thought there might be some 'magic' as with the other >> Apple mice I've had where there is no physical left / right buttons >> but the function exists (Mighty mouse)? > >The magic bit is the two finger click. Understood. ;-) > >I find it a really natural thing to do now, as opposed to the mighty >mouse which I never could get used to. My problem is I don't have anything with that sort of input device on it myself and only see this one rarely. > >>> Two finger click simulates control click, which is normally what the >>> second button is set to do as well when enabled. >> >> Yes, and what I would 'do' instinctively on any laptop running Win / >> Lin and any Mac desktop with a mouse. If not right click on the mouse >> then I'd stumble though it other ways as I'm not going to >> instinctively go to anything else (as I only deal with this MacBook >> rarely). > >You can always take a mouse with you? Or keep one there, good idea. ;-) >Or use ctrl if you can't get used >to the two finger thing. I really don't like using the keyboard so also don't like /having/ to use it to make the mouse (clicks) do something it should by itself. I also can't assume everyone else likes using the track pad for mouse clicks (I generally do [1]) so an 'external' option would be a good one in this case. However, the MacBook sits on a small shelf about the same footprint as the thing itself .... > Has the advantage that if you can get used to >the two figer thing, it also gives you scroll (assuming it is not much >older than I am thinking), which is the best way to scroll on any >machine with a trackpad. That function (on some of my laptops) can also get in the way ... like changing the volume (in Ubuntu) when you were happy to click on the level you wanted yourself. No, the scroll wheel on the mouse for me or the scroll bar if more appropriate. Cheers, T i m [1] It was whilst using the Mac trackpad for repeated scroll-clicks that it had me the most frustrated as I found it slipping off the down arrow and onto the background (no ill effect there as such) or onto the scroll bar itself and therefore jumping down huge wads and missing the items I was looking for. I don't know if the Mac trackpad is more accurate / sensitive but I found the wandering pointer from just multiple repeat taps /very/ frustrating and not typical of my experiences with trackpads in general.
From: Woody on 16 Jul 2010 05:41 On 16/07/2010 10:28, T i m wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:50:44 +0100, Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> > wrote: >> Or use ctrl if you can't get used >> to the two finger thing. > > I really don't like using the keyboard so also don't like /having/ to > use it to make the mouse (clicks) do something it should by itself. It does with the other finger! > also can't assume everyone else likes using the track pad for mouse > clicks (I generally do [1]) That is good. I hate the track pad click thing. Our ones at work are always getting set to do that so I am always accidentally dragging icons around and selecting things I didn't want. Hate it. > so an 'external' option would be a good > one in this case. However, the MacBook sits on a small shelf about the > same footprint as the thing itself .... Long mouse lead! >> Has the advantage that if you can get used to >> the two figer thing, it also gives you scroll (assuming it is not much >> older than I am thinking), which is the best way to scroll on any >> machine with a trackpad. > > That function (on some of my laptops) can also get in the way ... like > changing the volume (in Ubuntu) Like clicking on something when you were just mousing I guess. I never have a problem with the scrolling, I think it is the most wonderful thing (in fact more wonderful than a mouse scroll as it does both ways fluidly), although the pinch zoom sometimes sets off accidentally. > [1] It was whilst using the Mac trackpad for repeated scroll-clicks > that it had me the most frustrated as I found it slipping off the down > arrow and onto the background (no ill effect there as such) or onto > the scroll bar itself and therefore jumping down huge wads and missing > the items I was looking for. Thats why two finger scroll is the best thing going, you wouldn't have needed to be using the scroll bar at all if you were using that. Can't remember the last time I actually used a scroll bar on the macbook > I don't know if the Mac trackpad is more > accurate / sensitive but I found the wandering pointer from just > multiple repeat taps /very/ frustrating and not typical of my > experiences with trackpads in general. Don't know, don't do the tap thing (well, other than I have one of the trackpads without a button). Could be though, I find most other trackpads I have used very insensitive -- Woody
From: T i m on 16 Jul 2010 07:45 On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:41:17 +0100, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: >> so an 'external' option would be a good >> one in this case. However, the MacBook sits on a small shelf about the >> same footprint as the thing itself .... > >Long mouse lead! ;-) > >>> Has the advantage that if you can get used to >>> the two figer thing, it also gives you scroll (assuming it is not much >>> older than I am thinking), which is the best way to scroll on any >>> machine with a trackpad. >> >> That function (on some of my laptops) can also get in the way ... like >> changing the volume (in Ubuntu) > >Like clicking on something when you were just mousing I guess. I don't seem to do that though although it can depend on the mouse pad action. I think (on the same machine) XP has a more 'responsive' mousepad action than under Ubuntu (even after tweaking. Both daughter and I have independently noticed it). >I never have a problem with the scrolling, I think it is the most >wonderful thing (in fact more wonderful than a mouse scroll as it does >both ways fluidly), although the pinch zoom sometimes sets off accidentally. I try and stick with the LCD and as I don't always have that feature I try not to get used to it. I tend to be 'on' more machines that 'using one in particular. > >> [1] It was whilst using the Mac trackpad for repeated scroll-clicks >> that it had me the most frustrated as I found it slipping off the down >> arrow and onto the background (no ill effect there as such) or onto >> the scroll bar itself and therefore jumping down huge wads and missing >> the items I was looking for. > >Thats why two finger scroll is the best thing going, you wouldn't have >needed to be using the scroll bar at all if you were using that. Had I known it existed and thought to use it you mean? ;-) >Can't remember the last time I actually used a scroll bar on the macbook I still often use the scrollbar even if I have a scroll mouse because again, the pointer is already on the screen and I'm looking at it. > > > I don't know if the Mac trackpad is more >> accurate / sensitive but I found the wandering pointer from just >> multiple repeat taps /very/ frustrating and not typical of my >> experiences with trackpads in general. > >Don't know, don't do the tap thing (well, other than I have one of the >trackpads without a button). Hmm, I generally do that first then fall back to the physical buttons. > Could be though, I find most other >trackpads I have used very insensitive It was the eeePC we first noticed the sensitivity difference between OS's and not just down to how it was set. There seemed to be a distinct lag under Linux but you got used / compensated for it after a while. Cheers, T i m
From: Woody on 16 Jul 2010 07:50
On 16/07/2010 12:45, T i m wrote: >> Could be though, I find most other >> trackpads I have used very insensitive > > It was the eeePC we first noticed the sensitivity difference between > OS's and not just down to how it was set. There seemed to be a > distinct lag under Linux but you got used / compensated for it after a > while. Oh the eeePC had a horrible trackpad, very small and very very dead -- Woody |