From: Jim Thompson on 28 Jul 2010 15:34 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:29:09 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"Charlie E." <edmondson(a)ieee.org> wrote in message >news:75j056d5rc75gb1dhff3kulq9rvj54eo8m(a)4ax.com... >> No, it is because modern Orcad uses Allegro as the PCB side of things, [snip] > >Do you get free maintenance upgrades to ORCAD for life as a former employee, >Charlie? :-) I'm not sure that OrCAD upgrades are a desirable thing. When I noticed them trying to neuter PSpice I stopped paying the annual maintenance fee and held-up at v15.7 for the simulator and made my own patches to PSpice Schematics. [snip] ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: Joel Koltner on 28 Jul 2010 15:41 Hi Jim, "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:oa1156pafhjdqemn9ikpi9li7qci4gv26m(a)4ax.com... > I'm not sure that OrCAD upgrades are a desirable thing. When I > noticed them trying to neuter PSpice I stopped paying the annual > maintenance fee and held-up at v15.7 for the simulator and made my own > patches to PSpice Schematics. I recall a couple? years ago you were actively searching for PSpice replacements. I take it you never found anything particularly suitable? It's just dumb on Cadence's part to neuter PSpice... ---Joel
From: Jim Thompson on 28 Jul 2010 16:39 On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:41:06 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Hi Jim, > >"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in >message news:oa1156pafhjdqemn9ikpi9li7qci4gv26m(a)4ax.com... >> I'm not sure that OrCAD upgrades are a desirable thing. When I >> noticed them trying to neuter PSpice I stopped paying the annual >> maintenance fee and held-up at v15.7 for the simulator and made my own >> patches to PSpice Schematics. > >I recall a couple? years ago you were actively searching for PSpice >replacements. I take it you never found anything particularly suitable? > >It's just dumb on Cadence's part to neuter PSpice... > >---Joel There are many simulators that are just as good... after-all the basis is always Berkeley Spice :-) The catches are Schematic Capture and Post-Processing. For me I haven't found anything that comes close to working as good as old original MicroSim Schematics... and it's VERY smoothly hierarchical. And PSpice Probe is the "cat's meow" for creating the "pretty pictures" that the customers want to see to prove that a chip's expected performance meets specification. Around SED, though, "specification" seems to be a dirty word :-( ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: Joerg on 28 Jul 2010 17:03 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:41:06 -0700, "Joel Koltner" > <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hi Jim, >> >> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in >> message news:oa1156pafhjdqemn9ikpi9li7qci4gv26m(a)4ax.com... >>> I'm not sure that OrCAD upgrades are a desirable thing. When I >>> noticed them trying to neuter PSpice I stopped paying the annual >>> maintenance fee and held-up at v15.7 for the simulator and made my own >>> patches to PSpice Schematics. >> I recall a couple? years ago you were actively searching for PSpice >> replacements. I take it you never found anything particularly suitable? >> >> It's just dumb on Cadence's part to neuter PSpice... >> >> ---Joel > > There are many simulators that are just as good... after-all the basis > is always Berkeley Spice :-) > > The catches are Schematic Capture and Post-Processing. > > For me I haven't found anything that comes close to working as good as > old original MicroSim Schematics... and it's VERY smoothly > hierarchical. > Can't you still use MicroSim Schematics? Can one still obtain it? > And PSpice Probe is the "cat's meow" for creating the "pretty > pictures" that the customers want to see to prove that a chip's > expected performance meets specification. > I like LTSpice's thermometer thingie, when you want to know how hot a chip or some other stuff gets. > Around SED, though, "specification" seems to be a dirty word :-( > Not here, I live by them. At clients I am actually known to be a bit on the "insisting" side when it comes to specs. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joel Koltner on 28 Jul 2010 17:54
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:1251565ojjoauigst3fhr5dietj4g4o56g(a)4ax.com... > Around SED, though, "specification" seems to be a dirty word :-( My experience in industry -- which only began in the mid-'90s, mind you -- is that "specification" are more like a target to shoot for, but no one really expects you're going to actually hit it. These days, "close" is good enough for horse shoes, hand grenades, and engineering specs. :-) ---Joel |