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From: David H. Lipman on 4 Apr 2010 15:26 From: "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> | In article <wMudnZQiEfY7WSXWnZ2dnUVZ7oCdnZ2d(a)bt.com>, | BoaterDave(a)hotmail.co.uk says... >> My goal *is* the same now as it always was - to determine how bad guys >> operate on the Internet. | But your responses and your actions show that you're goal is not what | you claim it is, unless you're trying to determine how trolls are caught | and reacted to by others. Right. Its not like he's discussing the RBN or the <censored> in China or the <censored> in the Ukraines, yada, yada. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
From: Jenn on 4 Apr 2010 15:46 "Dustin Cook" <bughunter.dustin(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9D50880E0B71EHHI2948AJD832(a)69.16.185.247... > "Jenn" <nope(a)noway.atnohow.anyday> wrote in > news:hpa821$7cl$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >>>"Toxic" <staring(a)my_hd.tv> wrote in message >>>news:pan.2010.04.04.03.38.17(a)cdc.gov... >> >>>> On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:04:14 -0500, Jenn wrote: >>>> I can attest to the fact that Dave is not stupid. :) -- >>>> Jenn (from Oklahoma) >> >> >> <snip> >> >>> Dave is, whether deliberately or inadvertently, illustrating the >>> paradox within the contradictory personality of an illiterate >>> drooling fool attempting to play the part of an elite. >> >> I don't really care to label people to be things like "illiterate >> drooling fools", or "trolls", or anything similar because most people >> I come in contact with on the internet are quite the opposite... they >> are educated with strong opinions and personalities that support the >> latter. Most people just want to help other people in some way even >> if we don't understand their method or why they do what they do. Too >> often people just end up in discussions where they "go at" each other >> instead of communicating with each other. I understand why people do >> it, it's just frustrating to see a large group of people who are very >> smart in what they do just "go at" each other. > It's unavoidable in this case Jenn. Many individuals (myself included) > strongly dislike pcbutts for his routine theft and forgeries. I'm not familiar with anyone by that nickname... > So when > someone like BoaterDave comes along and tries to preach the goodness > inside Pcbutts, well, I'm sure you can understand our desire to string > him from a tree alongside pcbutts. I don't have any opinion on the person you call pcbutts... I do have one on Dave(bd) tho.. He's not perfect, but who is? Men are men and when men get into hot topic discussions, there don't seem to be any rules... so ... it looks like to me that it is common practice to go for peoples hot buttons because if you can get someone to react in anger or frustration they may tell you what you want to know. I just wanted you to know that I believe you when you say you use your skills for good and that I believe you to be a good person... I also believe Dave to be a good person, too. It's possible to see good in just about everyone if we want to see it, so maybe that is what Dave is seeing in that other person? -- Jenn (from Oklahoma)
From: Jenn on 4 Apr 2010 16:09 "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2622973e4cb3a0fe98a268(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <hpaa8k$m14$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > nope(a)noway.atnohow.anyday says... >> >> "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.2622727f92446e8098a267(a)us.news.astraweb.com... >> > In article <hpa8tv$crk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, >> > nope(a)noway.atnohow.anyday says... >> >> It's difficult for me to label anyone as being stupid or a troll >> >> because >> >> I >> >> don't believe those sort of people really exist on the internet. >> > Jenn, I've been on Usenet since 84 and I can assure you that "Trolls" >> > exist and enjoy what they do. You can see it in their diversions and >> > the >> > tactics they use. >> People exist on Usenet, and other people who don't like them or what they >> do >> or how they post will label them as *trolls*. You say they are trolls >> because of their tactics... I say they are just people who have strong >> personalities ... It's when personalities and methods conflict that >> people >> get labeled, and it isn't any more right to label someone a troll as it >> is >> to create virus's and deliver those virus's to peoples computers to do >> harm. > Jenn, there are people that have 180 deg views and opinions that are not > trolls, but there "are" trolls on usenet and many boards. A troll > doesn't have to be counter to your views. I'm well aware of the netiquette involved and how people define trolls on the internet. Just because people enter into ngs and have opinions that disrupt the general flow of the group and are a source of irritation to others does not give them over to being a *troll*. > For you to say that trolls don't exist, when it's been proven that they > do, is like saying racism doesn't exist. No... internet troll is a term people on the internet came up with so they would have one term they could use to label people who were a source of irritation, frustration, and flames on newsgroups. It is a nebulous term that has been used to label anyone that the status quo deems unsubmissive to the general norm of the group. If the core group can label someone to be a troll, it immediately tells the rest of the group to dismiss anything and everything that particular person says, which, in turn, more or less demeans that persons humanity. It's an unfair term, and frankly, it's used by people who don't want to take the time to respond intelligently to challenges brought up by such people. In essence, it's pure laziness to use the term, imo. > There are bad people, When I heard this phrase, I think of child molestors, murderers, thieves ....and other such people.. those are BAD people > they disrupt groups, disrupt other groups, twist > discussions, etc... Disrupting a group is not a bad thing done by bad people ... groups get ingrown just like toenails do... they get to where all they think about is what they agree on. Throw someone into the mix who is different and then all of a sudden they are a *troll* and a *bad person* because they disrupted the group. So what? If any one group or individual can't tolerate new ideas or explain with some sort of intelligence their own points of view... it just means they really don't know what they base what they believe on. A challenge to ones beliefs do not equal a *troll*. > they don't do it as part of a disagreement in ideals > or beliefs, they do it for the fun of it, to see how far they can take > others.... Those people are trolls. So what? What's wrong with having fun in newsgroups in the various discussions? Again, that doesn't make anyone a bad person or a troll because they enjoy lively debate about hot topics. The problem is that many people take it personal when someone challenges what has been said, so they take that as being a personal attack. It takes no skill at all to get offended, but it takes time and communication skills to actually work through any decent discussion or debate. Too many people just slam away and then complain they get slammed right back. That's 5th grade communication skills. >> > BD is as much a troll, by his tactics and his play, as he is a >> > idiot. >> BD asks questions, and challenges many of the answers he gets. Paying >> attention as to why people do what they do really helps in being able to >> respond without taking things personal and getting angry. > LOL - You really need to go back and look at his involvement in many > threads, and start actually watching his replies, and then when he > starts cross-posting to other groups.... BTDT ... seen plenty. If you haven't caught on by now what he's doing, I'll tell you myself. >> > Just look at his posts, they follow the very clear ideals of >> > trolling - and it's almost good at it. >> I've been a target of BD's questions, too... but I was patient and I >> understand what his goal was... We are friends because I gave him the >> space >> to be himself and I accept him as he is. > And most of us see what he's doing, his history, and the symptoms for > what they really are - He has no *symptoms*.... He has a method that he uses to find either good or bad. He's digging around and trying to hit any hot button he can find in order to bring to light anything good or anything bad with the people he is interacting with.... It's that simple. He's looking for straight answers from people and if he senses people aren't telling the truth he will keep on going until he finds the truth. >you can be friends with anyone you want, but it > doesn't change that he's trolling most times. Again ... calling someone a troll is the lazy way of interacting with anyone. If you or I can understand why people do what they do and say what they say and gain understanding of those things, (which takes an effort and some time,) there would be no need to label anyone as a troll. -- Jenn (from Oklahoma)
From: Jenn on 4 Apr 2010 16:15 "Toxic" <staring(a)my_hd.tv> wrote in message news:pan.2010.04.04.18.04.17(a)cdc.gov... > On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:33:29 -0500, Jenn wrote: > > >>> Dave is, whether deliberately or inadvertently, illustrating the >>> paradox within the contradictory personality of an illiterate drooling >>> fool attempting to play the part of an elite. >> >> I don't really care to label people to be things like "illiterate >> drooling fools", > > I wasn't trying to offend your sensibilities Jenn, I'm not offended .. :) > It's just that I was > drawn into the name calling style by an immature VXer's use of same. > His poor grammar does however, have the appearance of illiteracy even if > not entirely so and the arrogant continuation in using incorrect > structure only reinforces the fool part. Maybe he thinks being a VX (or > exVX) coder allows an exemption from correct grammatical usage. Well .. I ready typo fluently ... haha I've never known the internet to require correct grammar or punctuation. I come from the days when chat was in vogue more than ngs, and some of those chat rooms were pretty busy... so typing in chat shorthand was more common than anything else. You could say I got so good at it.. that I could .. "bring home the bacon .. fry it up in the pan.. and never let" .... um.. well.. you remember that saying.. right? :) I got very good at it. haha > <~~~> > >> Most people just want to help other people in some way > And then there are those that use that pretext > to augment their own ego driven fantasy. Everyone needs to be heard and sometimes all it takes is for one or two people to just listen and validate what that other person is trying to say. > <~~~> > >> it's just >> frustrating to see a large group of people who are very smart in what >> they do just "go at" each other. > Or can be a comical amusement when the claimed superiority is grossly > undermined by simple grammatical foible. Well... it can also be very humorous, too. :D -- Jenn (from Oklahoma)
From: Jenn on 4 Apr 2010 16:18
"~BD~" <BoaterDave(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:wMudnZQiEfY7WSXWnZ2dnUVZ7oCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > Jenn wrote: > >> I've been a target of BD's questions, too... but I was patient and I >> understand what his goal was... We are friends because I gave him the >> space >> to be himself and I accept him as he is. > Correction, young lady! ;-) (but thanks for being my friend!) > > My goal *is* the same now as it always was - to determine how bad guys > operate on the Internet. > > One small point you may have missed in this thread. Peter Foldes said > "Knowing Dave since he started posting in late 2005" > > How many posters, taken at random, would have any clue at all as to *when* > I started posting in newsgroups? Answer - none! I dunno... I can say that still I have notes that I took the very first day that I was a host in a chat room many years ago. I kept notes about many things over the years. :) > Peter Foldes knows because he has been stalking me ever since I started > looking for answers after the theft of �245 from my bank account - money > taken fraudulently from my account by PayPal (subsequently recovered). He > even engineered luring me to Annexcafe User2User, a place I would *never* > have discovered in normal course. IIRC, I first went there in ....... late > 2005!!! ;-) I know you've been looking and why. I understand. > Jenn - all of your posts here are welcome, btw! ;) thanks! :) -- Jenn (from Oklahoma) |