Mass-Energy Equivalence
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From: mpc755 on 27 Apr 2010 17:50 On Apr 27, 3:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > How does aether displacement effect the energy of light? > > Mitch Raemsch Light propagates with respect to the aether.
From: BURT on 27 Apr 2010 17:55 On Apr 27, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 27, 3:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > How does aether displacement effect the energy of light? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Light propagates with respect to the aether. By what energy?
From: mpc755 on 27 Apr 2010 17:58 On Apr 27, 5:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 27, 2:50 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Apr 27, 3:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > How does aether displacement effect the energy of light? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Light propagates with respect to the aether. > > By what energy? Light propagates as a displacement wave in the aether. The displacement of the aether is the energy associated with the light wave.
From: spudnik on 27 Apr 2010 19:37 you still have not given us any "electromagnetic property" of aether; it's just some sort of "emmission theoretical dis- placement," with no math attached, and no theory. are you still thinking of light as "photons with a guidewave" -- like that little cartoon, you found? maybe you just have a difficulty with English, that is not as pronounced as herr doktor- professor Nein EinStein's. for that there is only one (known) cure. > Light propagates as a displacement wave in the aether. The > displacement of the aether is the energy associated with the light > wave. thus: OMG, some dood hates Lyn!... well, find the article about actual sea-level data from tidal stations, yourself, mister Nice-guy. http://21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/fall01/Tanawa/tanawa.html What Is a Torquetum? The torquetum, an analogue computer, can tell us, without long and tedious calculation, at any time of the night when planets or the Moon are visible, what their angular distance is from the Sun, or from the first point of Aries, and/or from some bright star in their vicinity. It can also tell us how much they are above or below the ecliptic. This would give us a fairly quick way to construct an almanac, with enough data to predict at least lunar eclipses, as well as occultations of bright stars or planets by the Moonthe which dramatic events ought to confirm the longitude readings obtained by using the torquetum to measure lunar distance. Rick Sanders > 148940000 km^2 Earth land area > 510072000 km^2 Earth sea area > 14000000 km^2 Antarctica area > 1.6 km Ice height thus: I dug into your wikilink, Sue; the upshot is that there is only practiceably "patial vacuum," with all kinds of waffling about "free space;" particularly laudable is: Scientists working in optical communications tend to use free space to refer to a medium with an unobstructed line of sight (often air, sometimes space). See Free-space optical communication and the What is Free Space Optical Communications?. The United States Patent Office defines free space in a number of ways. For radio and radar applications the definition is "space where the movement of energy in any direction is substantially unimpeded, such as the atmosphere, the ocean, or the earth" (Glossary in US Patent Class 342, Class Notes).[40] Another US Patent Office interpretation is Subclass 310: Communication over free space, where the definition is "a medium which is not a wire or a waveguide".[41] thus: now, not only can we easily aver that "that Shakespeare wrote that Shakespeare," but we can also wonder about his death at fifty-three, after dining with a manslaughterer, Ben Johnson. anyway, if you really want to get into WS's politics, find the cover-article *Campaigner* magazine, "Why the British hate Shakespeare" -- if you can do so, at http://www.wlym.com/drupal/campaigners. thus: the whole *problem* is the diagramming, which is just a 2D phase-space, and cartooned into a "2+1" phase-space with "pants," sketched on paper. you simply do not need the pants, the lightcones they're made with, and the paradoxes of "looping in time" because of a silly diagram, wherein "time becomes comensurate with space" saith-Minkowski-then-he-died. as for capNtrade, if Waxman's bill passes, you won't be able to do *any* physics, that isn't "junkyard physics." thus: you are assuming that "gravitons" "go faster" than "photons," which is three things that have never been seen. Young proved that all properties of light is wave-ish, save for the yet-to-fbe-ound photo- electrical effect, the instrumental artifact that save Newton's balls o'light for British academe. well, even if any large thing could be accelerated to so close to teh speed of light-propagation (which used to be known as "retarded," since being found not instantaneous) is "space" -- which is no-where "a" vacuum -- it'd create a shockwave of any light that it was emmitting, per Gauss's hydrodynamic shockwaves (and, after all, this is all in the field of "magnetohydrodynamics," not "vacuum energy dynamics"). thus: what ever it says, Shapiro's last book is just a polemic; his real "proof" is _1599_; the fans of de Vere are hopelessly stuck-up -- especially if they went to Harry Potter PS#1. http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://entertainment.timesonline.co..... --Light: A History! http://wlym.com
From: pmb on 27 Apr 2010 20:53
On Apr 3, 9:22 pm, Tony M <marc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > As per themass-energy equivalence, can I assume the following is > valid? > > - electric energy flowing through power lines is equivalent to amass > flow =>massis transferred from the source to the load Yes. > - a charged battery or capacitor has highermassthan a discharged one Yes. > - a coil has highermasswhen current passes through it Yes. > - themassof an object will increase with its altitude This depends on the definition of mass. If my mass you are referring to inertial mass (aka relativistic mass) then the answer is yes. If you're referring to proper mass (aka rest mass) then the answer is no. > - themassof an object will increase with its temperature Yes. > - a spring'smassincreases when compressed or stretched Yes. > - compressing a quantity of gas will increase itsmass Yes. > > To generalize the above, an exchange of energy (of any kind) is > equivalent to an exchange ofmass. Yes. Pete |