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From: JF Mezei on 11 Jul 2010 15:31
Michelle Steiner wrote:

> True, but that's not what we're discussing in this filament of the thread.
> We're discussing the inherent relative advantages and disadvantages of a
> scroll ball on top of a mouse, and a touch surface on a mouse.

Well, the touch surface would likely be much better from a
maintenance/durability point of view.

I have not yet tried the magic mouse. I would certaintly get used to it
quickly. However, the story that it doesnt have the side buttons worries
me because I use those as "paste" in X-windows, and I would have to dig
up the config files to find out where it is defined so I could redefine
it to something else.

Also, the magic mouse does not come in wired version, another concern of
mine.
From: Tim Okergit on 11 Jul 2010 15:40
On 07/07/2010 02:07 PM, JF Mezei wrote:

> Perhaps the only solution is to work with rubber glove on the right hand
> to interact with the ball and NEVER have the rubber glove touch
> something esle... or buy that new mouse without the ball. (and lose the
> side buttons which are used by x-windows).

The real solution is to buy a $20 Logitech mouse and never have to open
a mouse agaon.

From: Tim Okergit on 11 Jul 2010 15:46
On 07/07/2010 01:06 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Rubbing it on paper won't clear stubborn dust trapped inside.

Anybody who ever cleaned a rollerball mouse knows this. The inside is
full of hair and dirt. The ball needs to be leaned with Ajax or any
other powder bath cleaner. It's quite a bit of work.

> Your best
> bet is to take it apart and give it a thorough cleaning. I've done this
> several times and it's not that hard to do.

You're lucky your time is worth so little. I believe buying a $20
Logitech mouse is a better bet.
From: Tim Okergit on 11 Jul 2010 18:19
On 07/11/2010 05:20 PM, Tim Streater wrote:

> Does it have the MM's mouse ball? Useless to me if not - that's a killer
> feature.

The MM was introduced after it became clear that the single button Apple
Mouse was a bad joke compared to PC's double button with scroll wheel.
So Apple has put buttons all over the place with the following results:

"Although the Mighty Mouse can sense both right and left clicks it is
not possible to press both sensors simultaneously. The user must learn
to lift the left finger off the sensor surface before attempting a
right-mouse click.[8]

"The scroll ball will eventually become clogged with dirt and require
cleaning. While there are methods to clean the ball without dismantling
the mouse some users have complained that the Mighty Mouse is difficult
to clean because the scroll ball mechanism is hard to take apart."

Other comments on the Magic Mouse, this time:

"The Magic Mouse seemed like such a nice idea. In practice, while it
works well enough, the interface is difficult to use and ergonomically
painful.

For those with even medium hands, the mouse is small. This makes it
awkward to hold, and multi-touch support is erratic. The functional
button push areas aren't well delineated! Multi-touch responses are
invoked by random contact while trying to move the cursor.

While the uncleanable mini-ball of the previous mouse was a nightmare,
it had buttons that reliably generated specific commands. The magic
mouse has more options (magicprefs), it's a dice roll which command will
be invoked by a given action.

If you never use the middle button and are a strict adherent of the
ever-changing way of Jobs, you might like this. But it's really NOT a
meaningful improvement; the touch sensitivity is too unreliable in
feedback to give real control.

This mouse is a DISASTER using Google Earth/Maps. Any attempt to push
buttons results in a scroll command zooming your map in unexpected ways."

See the Apple Store for more.

As for myself, I'd rather use a mouse that just works. Now, if your
thing is a mouse with buttons all over the place, you might want the
GIGABYTE GM-M7700 Noble Black 3+3 Buttons 4 Directional Scrolling 2.4GHz
Wireless Laser 1600 dpi Mouse. You then have to add an extra $10.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826146004

Still it's half the price of Apple's stuff.
From: Jolly Roger on 11 Jul 2010 18:44
Tim Okergit <to(a)notme.com> wrote:
> On 07/07/2010 01:06 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Rubbing it on paper won't clear stubborn dust trapped inside.
>
> Anybody who ever cleaned a rollerball mouse knows this. The inside is
> full of hair and dirt. The ball needs to be leaned with Ajax or any
> other powder bath cleaner. It's quite a bit of work.
>
>> Your best
>> bet is to take it apart and give it a thorough cleaning. I've done
> > this
>> several times and it's not that hard to do.
>
> You're lucky your time is worth so little. I believe buying a $20
> Logitech mouse is a better bet.

Oh please. It took all of ten minutes, and I'm not exaggerating. I took
a phone call during this time as well.

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