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From: RichA on 10 Jul 2010 22:15
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/10bit.shtml

From: Me on 10 Jul 2010 22:59
On 11/07/2010 2:15 p.m., RichA wrote:
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/10bit.shtml
>
Not saying that having 10 bit panels isn't an advance, but one of the
problems with LCDs (vs CRT) is non-linear response on the LCD sub-pixels
to the signal. That can be corrected to some degree by calibration, and
so 10 bits probably with more precision (or can it - when >10 bit
internal LUTs are already used in these monitors?), but:
Some of the 8 bit IPS panels available at relatively low cost are pretty
good these days - minimal or no visible banding of (8 bit) gradients.
Eizo used to use Samsung-made VA matrix panels. Nothing inherently
wrong with them, also used by NEC etc, except that VA panels typically
show some "black crush" - poor definition of near black levels,
especially at a very slight angle. The improvement that the LL notes
"But the most obvious user observation would be that the lower zones of
the image are depicted far more accurately in both color and gradation"
is possibly (or even probably) attributable to comparing the new screen,
(which happens to be 10 bit, but uses an in plane switching "IPS" panel)
with another older Eizo (or other professional level monitor) which
probably had a VA panel.

From: LOL! on 10 Jul 2010 23:36
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:59:35 +1200, Me <user(a)domain.invalid> wrote:

>On 11/07/2010 2:15 p.m., RichA wrote:
>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/10bit.shtml
>>
>Not saying that having 10 bit panels isn't an advance, but one of the
>problems with LCDs (vs CRT) is non-linear response on the LCD sub-pixels
>to the signal. That can be corrected to some degree by calibration, and
>so 10 bits probably with more precision (or can it - when >10 bit
>internal LUTs are already used in these monitors?), but:
>Some of the 8 bit IPS panels available at relatively low cost are pretty
>good these days - minimal or no visible banding of (8 bit) gradients.
>Eizo used to use Samsung-made VA matrix panels. Nothing inherently
>wrong with them, also used by NEC etc, except that VA panels typically
>show some "black crush" - poor definition of near black levels,
>especially at a very slight angle. The improvement that the LL notes
>"But the most obvious user observation would be that the lower zones of
>the image are depicted far more accurately in both color and gradation"
>is possibly (or even probably) attributable to comparing the new screen,
>(which happens to be 10 bit, but uses an in plane switching "IPS" panel)
>with another older Eizo (or other professional level monitor) which
>probably had a VA panel.

10-bit displays, 14-bit camera sensors, 16-32-bit editors ....

And still I have yet to see even ONE of you put any of it to worthwhile
use. Color bit-depth is never going to automatically bestow any of you with
photographic skill and talent, no matter how much you think it might help.
Just what the world needs is a 32-bit depth image displayed on a 10-bit
depth monitor of yet another blurry and crappy image of your flea-bag of a
cat.

LOL!!


From: Me on 10 Jul 2010 23:53
On 11/07/2010 3:36 p.m., LOL! wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:59:35 +1200, Me<user(a)domain.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 11/07/2010 2:15 p.m., RichA wrote:
>>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/10bit.shtml
>>>
>> Not saying that having 10 bit panels isn't an advance, but one of the
>> problems with LCDs (vs CRT) is non-linear response on the LCD sub-pixels
>> to the signal. That can be corrected to some degree by calibration, and
>> so 10 bits probably with more precision (or can it - when>10 bit
>> internal LUTs are already used in these monitors?), but:
>> Some of the 8 bit IPS panels available at relatively low cost are pretty
>> good these days - minimal or no visible banding of (8 bit) gradients.
>> Eizo used to use Samsung-made VA matrix panels. Nothing inherently
>> wrong with them, also used by NEC etc, except that VA panels typically
>> show some "black crush" - poor definition of near black levels,
>> especially at a very slight angle. The improvement that the LL notes
>> "But the most obvious user observation would be that the lower zones of
>> the image are depicted far more accurately in both color and gradation"
>> is possibly (or even probably) attributable to comparing the new screen,
>> (which happens to be 10 bit, but uses an in plane switching "IPS" panel)
>> with another older Eizo (or other professional level monitor) which
>> probably had a VA panel.
>
> 10-bit displays, 14-bit camera sensors, 16-32-bit editors ....
>
> And still I have yet to see even ONE of you put any of it to worthwhile
> use. Color bit-depth is never going to automatically bestow any of you with
> photographic skill and talent, no matter how much you think it might help.
> Just what the world needs is a 32-bit depth image displayed on a 10-bit
> depth monitor of yet another blurry and crappy image of your flea-bag of a
> cat.
>
I don't have a cat, just a troll-killing mountain dog:
http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/20221633.jpg
From: LOL! on 11 Jul 2010 00:11
On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 15:53:37 +1200, Me <user(a)domain.invalid> wrote:

>On 11/07/2010 3:36 p.m., LOL! wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:59:35 +1200, Me<user(a)domain.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/07/2010 2:15 p.m., RichA wrote:
>>>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/10bit.shtml
>>>>
>>> Not saying that having 10 bit panels isn't an advance, but one of the
>>> problems with LCDs (vs CRT) is non-linear response on the LCD sub-pixels
>>> to the signal. That can be corrected to some degree by calibration, and
>>> so 10 bits probably with more precision (or can it - when>10 bit
>>> internal LUTs are already used in these monitors?), but:
>>> Some of the 8 bit IPS panels available at relatively low cost are pretty
>>> good these days - minimal or no visible banding of (8 bit) gradients.
>>> Eizo used to use Samsung-made VA matrix panels. Nothing inherently
>>> wrong with them, also used by NEC etc, except that VA panels typically
>>> show some "black crush" - poor definition of near black levels,
>>> especially at a very slight angle. The improvement that the LL notes
>>> "But the most obvious user observation would be that the lower zones of
>>> the image are depicted far more accurately in both color and gradation"
>>> is possibly (or even probably) attributable to comparing the new screen,
>>> (which happens to be 10 bit, but uses an in plane switching "IPS" panel)
>>> with another older Eizo (or other professional level monitor) which
>>> probably had a VA panel.
>>
>> 10-bit displays, 14-bit camera sensors, 16-32-bit editors ....
>>
>> And still I have yet to see even ONE of you put any of it to worthwhile
>> use. Color bit-depth is never going to automatically bestow any of you with
>> photographic skill and talent, no matter how much you think it might help.
>> Just what the world needs is a 32-bit depth image displayed on a 10-bit
>> depth monitor of yet another blurry and crappy image of your flea-bag of a
>> cat.
>>
>I don't have a cat, just a troll-killing mountain dog:
>http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/20221633.jpg

Damn, I should have said "yet another blurry and crappy image of your
flea-bag of a cat or dog." You definitely got the blurry part down pat.
Enjoying that shallow DOF are you?

LOL!





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