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From: John Hasler on 5 Jan 2010 20:06 Bill Unruh writes: > The problem is that the same set of programs will suddenly be given a > new name. thus gimp suddenly becomes gimp2. the upgrade will see that > there is no upgrade for gimp, and leave it on the system, but that > gimp2 is required and install it. The problem is that there may be > overlaps of files between the two, and thus what gets installed is > buggered up for at least one of them (usually the old one). Debian handles this sort of thing smoothly. I don't see why Fedora can't. It's just a matter of proper planning. -- John Hasler jhasler(a)newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA
From: philo on 5 Jan 2010 20:13 Giorgos Tzampanakis wrote: > Sidney Lambe <sidneylambe(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in > news:slrnhk7mu7.5fn.sidneylambe(a)evergreen.net: > >> The distros are illusions. It's just Linux. Myself and many >> others disdain the GDEs and bloated package managers and >> run Linux from the commandline from an x-terminal-emulator. > > That doesn't sound very bad, but can I still use applications > with graphical environments, and have sound support? Gioros: the guy is a troll
From: Sidney Lambe on 5 Jan 2010 20:27 On comp.os.linux.misc, Giorgos Tzampanakis <gt67(a)hw.ac.uk> wrote: > Sidney Lambe <sidneylambe(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in > news:slrnhk7mu7.5fn.sidneylambe(a)evergreen.net: > >> The distros are illusions. It's just Linux. Myself and many >> others disdain the GDEs and bloated package managers and >> run Linux from the commandline from an x-terminal-emulator. > > That doesn't sound very bad, but can I still use applications > with graphical environments, and have sound support? I can run any graphical application that you can, including those that come with KDE and the like. If I want to run firefox, for example, I simply enter "firefox" and it opens in its own window. (Actually, I have a little bash function in my /etc/profile that allows me to enter "ff" to do the job.) Don't let these technocratic geeks bullshit you. It's easier to learn to run Linux from the commandline than it is to learn how to use their artificial interfaces and package managers. They don't want you to learn Linux because then you won't be dependent on them. John Hasler, who works for Debian, is a perfect example of the species. Sid
From: Bit Twister on 5 Jan 2010 20:32 On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:06:25 +0000 (UTC), Giorgos Tzampanakis wrote: > Free. Then fedora is not one to chose from. > Any update being pushed through the distribution's update > channels. Major releases included. If there's a major release > every 6 or 12 months, why should I have to do a reinstall? Usually a major release has new kernel and libraries. Lately I also see jumps in application's release level. Those kinds of changes can have different configuration file contents and package contents. Conversion scripts may not change configuration files, old package contents are not removed, old apps go obsolete, library files not removed,..... In other words, junk/orphans left on the system. I see a small number of users who do just upgrades who have small weird problems. When they finally give up an do a clean install their problems go away. Have see others doing updates without problems. Regardless of distribution you pick and what maintenance mode you pick, I suggest you keep an admin diary containing what you change with before/after values and commands issued. I got tired of cut/pasting from my diary and placed each app/system change into an install script. Now I run new_install, it calls each install_whatever and about a half hour later I am back up after a clean install. You also may want to consider keeping at least one spare partition for next install/update testing. Once you have latest release running, the old partition becomes the next release test partition. Some people suggest you keep a separate /home/ partition. Been there and have been screwed up there. New release may change old release home files. Booting back to other release left me in the ditch. I have a separate partition shared across releases and different distributions. /home/$USER has links to common user partition/files. That way different desktop manager files are in each release/distro /home and apps like skype, thunderbird,.... are common regardless of which install is booted.
From: Robert Heller on 5 Jan 2010 21:01
At Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:06:22 -0600 John Hasler <jhasler(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > > Bill Unruh writes: > > The problem is that the same set of programs will suddenly be given a > > new name. thus gimp suddenly becomes gimp2. the upgrade will see that > > there is no upgrade for gimp, and leave it on the system, but that > > gimp2 is required and install it. The problem is that there may be > > overlaps of files between the two, and thus what gets installed is > > buggered up for at least one of them (usually the old one). > > Debian handles this sort of thing smoothly. I don't see why Fedora > can't. It's just a matter of proper planning. Fedora is specificly not designed to be 'upgraded'. Fedora is a beta testbed system and each incarnation of Fedora 'starts from scratch'. -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows heller(a)deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/ |