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From: Joel Koltner on 30 Apr 2010 12:09 <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message news:mjlkt5dig6ll10ohjttmib2t3o0se7u2uq(a)4ax.com... > There is *far* more to EE than hardware design. Less than 1/4 of the EEs at > my CPoE are hardware designers. I'd guess that that number was even lower > at > my PPoE; more like 5%, perhaps even <1%. What else do they do? Everywhere I've worked, the bulk of people with EE degrees were either designing hardware or writing software (which -- as much as I cringe as well to see EE departments now becoming EECS -- does have a certain reasoanble rationale behind it). There have always been a few guys performing test engineering, but they end up creating software (or at least labview) and usually at least "integrating" various I/O boards and designing some simple sensors/actuators/etc. as well.
From: dagmargoodboat on 30 Apr 2010 18:55 (dropped abse, per Google) On Apr 29, 11:49 pm, flipper <flip...(a)fish.net> wrote: > The problem is not 'the vote', per see. It's the gradual, now > dizzyingly fast, abandonment of the Constitution The Constitution was really a brilliant design by some of the most brilliant men who ever lived. I didn't get that until just recently, when I saw through the words to the architecture, and finally appreciated the mechanism, the feedbacks, the safeties, the workings of the machine. Absolutely brilliant. We'll have to get a nice frame for it. The problem with things that live and breathe is that, eventually, they die. > centralizing all > power and money in Washington so that it becomes the corruption > clearinghouse where 'special interests' and thieves come to get 'their > cut' of the loot and decide on who to rob next. And with the system > destroyed *then* 'the vote' becomes a gangland rivalry for control of > the mob. The more powerful government becomes, the inevitably more corrupt--the more they regulate business, the more essential it is for business to curry favor, for..favorable regulations. Positive feedback. That quickly degenerates into crony capitalism / fascism, an unholy alliance between the governors and the governed. Like GM. Like UPS. Like Wall Street. Etc. James Arthur
From: krw on 30 Apr 2010 19:35 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:09:29 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: ><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message >news:mjlkt5dig6ll10ohjttmib2t3o0se7u2uq(a)4ax.com... >> There is *far* more to EE than hardware design. Less than 1/4 of the EEs at >> my CPoE are hardware designers. I'd guess that that number was even lower >> at >> my PPoE; more like 5%, perhaps even <1%. > >What else do they do? Here? Layout, firmware, test, ME, manager. PPoE: Verification/validation, design rules, modeling, architecture, performance analysis, compatibility (software and hardware), documentation, layout, timing, power distribution, thermal management, hardware test, packaging, and probably a hundred other tasks, depending on the product. Of course, add 10% for engineering managers. There was a group of (at one time at least) a couple of hundred engineers in corporate purchasing. There is also the software side of the business, where there are a lot of EEs, too. >Everywhere I've worked, the bulk of people with EE >degrees were either designing hardware or writing software (which -- as much >as I cringe as well to see EE departments now becoming EECS -- does have a >certain reasoanble rationale behind it). There have always been a few guys >performing test engineering, but they end up creating software (or at least >labview) and usually at least "integrating" various I/O boards and designing >some simple sensors/actuators/etc. as well. When I graduated, there was already an EECS degree (known as CompE). It was still a mostly hardware curriculum, though. In fact I graduated with all the courses I needed for that degree, except one, but chose to keep the EE degree; less restrictive. ;-) My nephew is an EE (not CompE) but has never done any design at all. He's an embedded software type, only.
From: BigBalls on 30 Apr 2010 20:12 On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:43:30 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >I for "bigger" guns myself ;-) > >Maybe a "weenie-specific" bullet ?:-) > I like the gun that "The Suits" have in "Avatar".
From: Jim Thompson on 30 Apr 2010 22:28
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:20:57 -0400, "(Martin) Riddle" <martin_rid(a)verizon.net> wrote: > >"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote >in message news:906kt558he68k65e02fca7toutsajppj54(a)4ax.com... [snip] >> >> But musing, I've come up with an interesting idea... your vote should >> count _proportional_to_the_income_taxes_you_pay_. >> >> Isn't that an engineer's natural feedback equation? Self limiting :-) >> > >I think a vote weighted on IQ would be better. There are very smart >people in all walks of life. But it still doesn�t solve the problem with >greasy politicians who lie thru their nose, and most of them probably >make more than you. So much for that natural feedback idea. > >Cheers > Repeating myself... In Martin's ideal world, everyone would be a member of Mensa. Having been a member of Mensa, I can assure you they're primarily populated by fatheads who think they should be paid according to their IQ, NOT according to their productivity... heaven forbid we should include the word "productive" in a liberal's vocabulary ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy |