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From: nospam on 8 Aug 2010 17:24
In article <nq5u56pi853987e002dk328q1rgorrtsa5(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >> You don't know the model history of those two major brands?
> >> (How then can you comment intelligently on the issue?)
> >> OK, here you go: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_devices>
> >
> >Vague nonsense.
>
> Real facts actually. Did you bother to check it out?
> Do you really know nothing about those devices?
> How then can you comment intelligently?

resorting to insults, i see. you must not have much to back up your
claims.

> >You're pushing the notion that a consequence of staggered releases,
> >Android phones can borrow from each other sooner. But this only makes
> >sense if it's possible to see a new feature in a competitor's product
> >and have it in your product three months later or something. Which, with
> >products this complex, it probably isn't.
>
> If you learn something about how such devices are actually developed
> (outside of Apple at least), you'll discover that such incremental
> improvements in each subsequent model are SOP. As but one of a great
> many factors, a particular component (e.g., chipset) might not be ready
> for phone 101 but in time for phone 102 a month later.

customers *hate* when one month later, a better model comes out. at
least with the iphone, it's predictable.

> When you have
> only one release a year, like Apple, you wind up with an average of six
> month lag, which is a tough hand to play over the long term, part of why
> Apple went through three different CPU architectures in the PC business.

aside from being completely irrelevant to cellphones, apple used (not
'went through') three architectures because technology moves forward.
68000 was the best choice in the early 1980s, a 32 bit architecture
when intel was battling with 8 bit. remember near and far pointers?
ugh.

68k later stagnated so they switched to powerpc, a far, far better
architecture, and when it stagnated they switched to intel.
From: JF Mezei on 8 Aug 2010 17:25
ZnU wrote:

> And it's far more reasonable to assume that Apple made a deliberate
> design tradeoff than to assume their $100M antenna testing facility and
> months of field testing missed a trivially correctable and unambiguous
> flaw that anyone in possession of at least one human hand can detect.

Interesting point. The underestimated the damage to their credibility
though. The "antenna problem" has zapped any credibility that this
design improves reception in certain cases.

I had a 3GS for a week an a half earlier this month. In the basement, it
had better reception than my old Sony Ericsson. The 4 appears to have
weaker reception than the 3gs. (but even when I don't hold it, so it has
nothing to do with the death grip).

If I HOLD the 4 higher near the ceiling, its reception improves a lot.

Foliage has something to do with reception this time of year.

BTW, in his Keynote, Jobs mentioned that the build quality is like that
of an old Leica camera. Looking at the 4 in my hands, I have to agree
that Apple has done an incredible job with the build precision/quality
of this device.
From: SMS on 8 Aug 2010 17:40
On 08/08/10 1:06 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:13:10 -0700, SMS<scharf.steven(a)geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/08/10 10:47 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>>> No kidding. I've seen duplicated surveys, where the same users can't
>>> even supply the same responses a week later. Garbage in, statistics
>>> out. Still, it's the best we have to work with.
>>
>> What's important are the relative numbers.
>
> Relative to what?

The relative numbers between the different carriers.
From: JF Mezei on 8 Aug 2010 17:40
nospam wrote:

> iphones multitasked since day one, which anyone who actually used one
> would know. there were limitations of course, as you say, there is no
> one perfect device.

There are many policy decisions I disagree with (such as not even
showing what APN is being used, let alone let you edit it).

But the multitasking issue, I can understand. battery life is really
important for mobile devices. And compared with other phones, the iphone
has less autonomy, so Apple (as do all smartphone makers) has to work
hard to improve this.

Letting some application in an infinite loop run in tghe background will
quickly deplete your battery.

While on a real mac, you can run Activity Monitor to check what is
running and kill runaway processes, there is no such equivalent on an
iphone, so Apple has to make pocess management totally transparent and
make sure you don't have runaway and stuck processes.
From: John Navas on 8 Aug 2010 17:52
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 16:48:04 -0400, in
<4c5f1807$0$9357$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote:

>ZnU wrote:
>>
>> You're pushing the notion that a consequence of staggered releases,
>> Android phones can borrow from each other sooner.
>
>I suspect that HTC is a bit like GM did. They make one core car design,
>and then send this to its various divisions (Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet,
>Oldsmobile) and each division then chooses the paint scheme and a few
>options inside and they are marketed as totally different cars even
>though at the core they are the same.
>
>Remember that HTC caters to invividual networks, so they generate one
>version of a core product and make it an exclusive to Verizon, and then
>generate another variation of the same and make it an exclusive to
>Spring. But the core development is probably the same for both.
>
>From the outside, it may look like HTC is producing a ton of different
>models at a rapid pace, but this could be mostly smoke and mirrors
>generated by marketing and in the end, a lot fo the different models are
>really the same.

Yes and no. There actually are quite a few different HTC core handsets,
each of which typically has more than one version. For example, the HTC
Magic (T-Mobile myTouch 3G in the US, and the docomo HT-03A in Japan) is
a different core from the HTC Dream (T-Mobile G1 in the US and parts of
Europe and Era G1 in Poland).

[original cross-posting restored]

--
John

If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive,
then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?
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