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From: Uncle Al on 1 Jun 2010 16:53 Sam Wormley wrote: > > On 6/1/10 12:46 AM, YKhan wrote: > > Physicists observe change in neutrinos, unlocking mystery of subatomic > > particle - latimes.com > > "The new finding is important because in the theories now used to > > explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard > > Model, neutrinos have no mass. > > > > Breakthrough in the matter�antimatter divide > http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 [snip] Sam, the Standard Model with SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1) symmetries, or S((U2)xU(3)), does not allow any sort of chirality, parity breaking, or emergent phenomena (perturbation treatments are the death of discovery). Physics is universally incapable of predicting parity violations and emergent phenomena. All that stuff is inserted ad hoc after observation (e.g., Yang and Lee to your citation). Sam, the Standard Model arrives massless. It requires insertion of 26 "coupling constants" plus the ad hoc Higgs mechanism to recognize mass. SUSY is a disaster. SUGRA is a disaster. Every quantized gravitation theory is a disaster. When rigorously derived maths refined by 30 years' efforts of the most powerful human minds cannot evolve ab initio physical predictions, we know what is wrong: one or more founding postulates are defective. Euclid's parallel postulate fell. Newton tacitly assuming lightspeed was infinite, Planck's constant was zero, and Boltzmann's constant was zero did not sustain. It is almost inconceivable that untentured faculty could miss a pink monkey at the zoo. Almost. To hide something from physics merely put it in a "lesser science" like chemistry. The vacuum is definitively isotropic to masselss photons, arxiv:0706.2031, 0905.1929, 0912.5057. There is no detectable vacuum refraction, dispersion, birefringence, dichroism, or gyrotropy for cosmic lightpaths. Vacuum chiral anisotropy in the *massed* sector is unexamined and therefore unconstrained. DO OPPOSITE SHOES VACUUM FREE FALL IDENTICALLY? Do chemically and macroscopically identical, inverse geometric parity atomic mass distributions violate the Equivalence Principle? Physics works both ways without contradiction of observation to date - but the naughty way addresses all the insoluble parity problems. http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/erotor1.jpg http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm Somebody should look. The worst it can do is succeed. -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
From: Sam Wormley on 2 Jun 2010 04:39 On 6/1/10 11:54 AM, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 6/1/10 12:46 AM, YKhan wrote: >> Physicists observe change in neutrinos, unlocking mystery of subatomic >> particle - latimes.com >> "The new finding is important because in the theories now used to >> explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard >> Model, neutrinos have no mass. >> > > > Breakthrough in the matter�antimatter divide > http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 > > Particle physics experiment catches neutrino flip > http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 > > "Neutrinos, elementary particles with no electric charge that rarely > interact with matter, come in three flavours: muon, tau and electron. > For at least 15 years, researchers have been collecting evidence that > they can change (or oscillate) from one flavour to another. Whereas > neutrinos were originally thought to have no mass, such oscillations > would imply that they do, a finding that would have significant > consequences for cosmology and for the standard model of particle physics". > > "While analyzing data from 2008 and 2009, the Gran Sasso team found that > one among billions of muon neutrinos beamed towards the lab from CERN, > Europe's particle-physics facility near Geneva, Switzerland, had turned > into a tau neutrino by the time it reached the Opera detector". Neutrino quick-change artist caught in the act A transformation from one �flavor� to another confirms the elusive elementary particles have mass and suggests a need for new physics. http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/59825/title/Neutrino_quick-change_artist_caught_in_the_act
From: Y.Porat on 2 Jun 2010 06:09 On Jun 2, 10:39 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 6/1/10 11:54 AM, Sam Wormley wrote: > > > > > On 6/1/10 12:46 AM, YKhan wrote: > >> Physicists observe change in neutrinos, unlocking mystery of subatomic > >> particle - latimes.com > >> "The new finding is important because in the theories now used to > >> explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard > >> Model, neutrinos have no mass. > > > Breakthrough in the matterantimatter divide > >http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 > > > Particle physics experiment catches neutrino flip > >http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 > > > "Neutrinos, elementary particles with no electric charge that rarely > > interact with matter, come in three flavours: muon, tau and electron. > > For at least 15 years, researchers have been collecting evidence that > > they can change (or oscillate) from one flavour to another. Whereas > > neutrinos were originally thought to have no mass, such oscillations > > would imply that they do, a finding that would have significant > > consequences for cosmology and for the standard model of particle physics". > > > "While analyzing data from 2008 and 2009, the Gran Sasso team found that > > one among billions of muon neutrinos beamed towards the lab from CERN, > > Europe's particle-physics facility near Geneva, Switzerland, had turned > > into a tau neutrino by the time it reached the Opera detector". > > Neutrino quick-change artist caught in the act > A transformation from one flavor to another confirms the elusive > elementary particles have mass and suggests a need for new physics.http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/59825/title/Neutrino_quick... -------------------- Good morning parrot Sami dId you ever heard that NO MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS !!?? (that is going to be the basic new iron rule of physics !!) and i wonder from whom did you heard it first ??!!! can you tell the people who claimed it first ?? and who for instance proved black on while --that even the photon has mass!! - the only mass ?? TIA Y.Porat ------------------------------
From: YKhan on 2 Jun 2010 06:24 bert wrote: > On Jun 1, 1:46 am, YKhan <yjk...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Physicists observe change in neutrinos, unlocking mystery of subatomic >> particle - latimes.com >> "The new finding is important because in the theories now used to >> explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard >> Model, neutrinos have no mass. >> >> But if they have no mass, they cannot oscillate between muon and tau >> forms. The fact that they do oscillate indicates that they have mass >> and that the fundamentals of the Standard Model need some reworking, >> at the very least."http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-neutrino-20100601,0,177864... > > Are we getting into "string theory"? Vibrating rather than spinning? > Are these real observations or created by?? TreBert No, there's no direct relationship to String theory. This oscillation refers to the ability of a neutrino to oscillate from one form (i.e. electron, muon, & tau) to another form and possibly back. Neutrino oscillation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_oscillation#Classical_analogue_of_neutrino_oscillation Neutrino Oscillations http://www.ps.uci.edu/~superk/nuosc.html Yousuf Khan
From: Inertial on 2 Jun 2010 06:52
"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:600954cd-f35f-4229-81b6-b26994e42112(a)e21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 2, 10:39 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 6/1/10 11:54 AM, Sam Wormley wrote: >> >> >> >> > On 6/1/10 12:46 AM, YKhan wrote: >> >> Physicists observe change in neutrinos, unlocking mystery of subatomic >> >> particle - latimes.com >> >> "The new finding is important because in the theories now used to >> >> explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard >> >> Model, neutrinos have no mass. >> >> > Breakthrough in the matter�antimatter divide >> >http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 >> >> > Particle physics experiment catches neutrino flip >> >http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 >> >> > "Neutrinos, elementary particles with no electric charge that rarely >> > interact with matter, come in three flavours: muon, tau and electron. >> > For at least 15 years, researchers have been collecting evidence that >> > they can change (or oscillate) from one flavour to another. Whereas >> > neutrinos were originally thought to have no mass, such oscillations >> > would imply that they do, a finding that would have significant >> > consequences for cosmology and for the standard model of particle >> > physics". >> >> > "While analyzing data from 2008 and 2009, the Gran Sasso team found >> > that >> > one among billions of muon neutrinos beamed towards the lab from CERN, >> > Europe's particle-physics facility near Geneva, Switzerland, had turned >> > into a tau neutrino by the time it reached the Opera detector". >> >> Neutrino quick-change artist caught in the act >> A transformation from one �flavor� to another confirms the elusive >> elementary particles have mass and suggests a need for new >> physics.http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/59825/title/Neutrino_quick... > > -------------------- > Good morning parrot Sami > dId you ever heard that > > NO MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS !!?? AFAIK you're the first to make up that slogan. > (that is going to be the basic new iron rule of physics !!) Its not a rule .. its not physics .. its just a slogan > and i wonder from whom did you heard it > first ??!!! > can you tell the people who claimed it first ?? You make lots of claims, and put together a lot of nonsense that no-one else would. > and who for instance proved > black on while --that even > the photon has mass!! Noone > - the only mass ?? You mean nothing other than a photon has mass ? .. that can't be right, seeing all the experimental evidence supports it NOT having a mass. |