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From: Y.Porat on 2 Jun 2010 07:12 On Jun 2, 12:52 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:600954cd-f35f-4229-81b6-b26994e42112(a)e21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jun 2, 10:39 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 6/1/10 11:54 AM, Sam Wormley wrote: > > >> > On 6/1/10 12:46 AM, YKhan wrote: > >> >> Physicists observe change in neutrinos, unlocking mystery of subatomic > >> >> particle - latimes.com > >> >> "The new finding is important because in the theories now used to > >> >> explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard > >> >> Model, neutrinos have no mass. > > >> > Breakthrough in the matterantimatter divide > >> >http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 > > >> > Particle physics experiment catches neutrino flip > >> >http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 > > >> > "Neutrinos, elementary particles with no electric charge that rarely > >> > interact with matter, come in three flavours: muon, tau and electron.. > >> > For at least 15 years, researchers have been collecting evidence that > >> > they can change (or oscillate) from one flavour to another. Whereas > >> > neutrinos were originally thought to have no mass, such oscillations > >> > would imply that they do, a finding that would have significant > >> > consequences for cosmology and for the standard model of particle > >> > physics". > > >> > "While analyzing data from 2008 and 2009, the Gran Sasso team found > >> > that > >> > one among billions of muon neutrinos beamed towards the lab from CERN, > >> > Europe's particle-physics facility near Geneva, Switzerland, had turned > >> > into a tau neutrino by the time it reached the Opera detector". > > >> Neutrino quick-change artist caught in the act > >> A transformation from one flavor to another confirms the elusive > >> elementary particles have mass and suggests a need for new > >> physics.http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/59825/title/Neutrino_quick... > > > -------------------- > > Good morning parrot Sami > > dId you ever heard that > > > NO MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS !!?? > > AFAIK you're the first to make up that slogan. > > > (that is going to be the basic new iron rule of physics !!) > > Its not a rule .. its not physics .. its just a slogan > > > and i wonder from whom did you heard it > > first ??!!! > > can you tell the people who claimed it first ?? > > You make lots of claims, and put together a lot of nonsense that no-one else > would. > > > and who for instance proved > > black on while --that even > > the photon has mass!! > > Noone > > > - the only mass ?? > > You mean nothing other than a photon has mass ? .. that can't be right, > seeing all the experimental evidence supports it NOT having a mass. ---------------------- one of the features of a good 'craftsman' ' is to see further away and TO PREDICT !! IE TO MAKE A REVOLUTIONARY PREDICTION THAT WILL CHANGE future SCIENCE (actually is is not out of the blue prediction!! it stems out from systematic work !! and real understanding **the basic of physics ** (sometimes from 'swimming' bravely and persistently along many years against the main stream (as you can testify about it (:-) !!! ATB Y.Porat ------------------------------ )
From: Michael Moroney on 2 Jun 2010 12:23 How do we know for sure that a tau wasn't created at CERN, the tau decayed into a tau neutrino and it was this tau neutrino that was detected, rather than neutrino oscillation?
From: Sam Wormley on 2 Jun 2010 12:42 On 6/2/10 11:23 AM, Michael Moroney wrote: > How do we know for sure that a tau wasn't created at CERN, the tau decayed > into a tau neutrino and it was this tau neutrino that was detected, > rather than neutrino oscillation? No associated decay products. http://www.lns.cornell.edu/public/CLEO/CLEO3/cleo3/proposal/subsection3_3_3.html
From: spudnik on 2 Jun 2010 19:01 if it truly hath no mass, then isn't another wave? why must "photon" be interpreted as "particulate?"
From: Inertial on 2 Jun 2010 20:23
"Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:e085805c-4445-4a4a-85a4-085a94c32b93(a)a16g2000vbr.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 2, 12:52 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:600954cd-f35f-4229-81b6-b26994e42112(a)e21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On Jun 2, 10:39 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 6/1/10 11:54 AM, Sam Wormley wrote: >> >> >> > On 6/1/10 12:46 AM, YKhan wrote: >> >> >> Physicists observe change in neutrinos, unlocking mystery of >> >> >> subatomic >> >> >> particle - latimes.com >> >> >> "The new finding is important because in the theories now used to >> >> >> explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard >> >> >> Model, neutrinos have no mass. >> >> >> > Breakthrough in the matter�antimatter divide >> >> >http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 >> >> >> > Particle physics experiment catches neutrino flip >> >> >http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/42692 >> >> >> > "Neutrinos, elementary particles with no electric charge that rarely >> >> > interact with matter, come in three flavours: muon, tau and >> >> > electron. >> >> > For at least 15 years, researchers have been collecting evidence >> >> > that >> >> > they can change (or oscillate) from one flavour to another. Whereas >> >> > neutrinos were originally thought to have no mass, such oscillations >> >> > would imply that they do, a finding that would have significant >> >> > consequences for cosmology and for the standard model of particle >> >> > physics". >> >> >> > "While analyzing data from 2008 and 2009, the Gran Sasso team found >> >> > that >> >> > one among billions of muon neutrinos beamed towards the lab from >> >> > CERN, >> >> > Europe's particle-physics facility near Geneva, Switzerland, had >> >> > turned >> >> > into a tau neutrino by the time it reached the Opera detector". >> >> >> Neutrino quick-change artist caught in the act >> >> A transformation from one �flavor� to another confirms the elusive >> >> elementary particles have mass and suggests a need for new >> >> physics.http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/59825/title/Neutrino_quick... >> >> > -------------------- >> > Good morning parrot Sami >> > dId you ever heard that >> >> > NO MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS !!?? >> >> AFAIK you're the first to make up that slogan. >> >> > (that is going to be the basic new iron rule of physics !!) >> >> Its not a rule .. its not physics .. its just a slogan >> >> > and i wonder from whom did you heard it >> > first ??!!! >> > can you tell the people who claimed it first ?? >> >> You make lots of claims, and put together a lot of nonsense that no-one >> else >> would. >> >> > and who for instance proved >> > black on while --that even >> > the photon has mass!! >> >> Noone >> >> > - the only mass ?? >> >> You mean nothing other than a photon has mass ? .. that can't be right, >> seeing all the experimental evidence supports it NOT having a mass. > > ---------------------- > one of the features of a good > 'craftsman' ' is to see further away > and TO PREDICT !! > IE TO MAKE A REVOLUTIONARY PREDICTION THAT WILL CHANGE future > SCIENCE > (actually is is not out of the blue prediction!! > it stems out from systematic work !! > and real understanding **the basic of physics ** > (sometimes from 'swimming' bravely > and persistently along many years against the main stream (as you > can testify about it (:-) !!! That is correct. However, you have not done that. You simply fail to grasp the basics of physics, and in your ignorance spout nonsense that you think is revolutionary and relevant. You are wrong |