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From: Chris F.A. Johnson on 5 Jul 2010 17:18 On 2010-07-05, Savageduck wrote: > On 2010-07-05 13:14:29 -0700, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said: > >> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:34:14 -0700, Savageduck >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2010-07-05 10:21:59 -0700, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said: >>> >>>> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 12:04:50 -0400, "Peter" >>>> <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:8it336h90kikds4pgopj1m5p04v7vmr1bj(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:59:31 -04 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have one shot already that was in a quarter mile of the pin. The >>>>>> actual pin would have put me in an area where I would either be mugged >>>>>> or arrested for attempting to buy drugs. I may re-stick. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure that was an unintended pun. >>>> >>>> I won't fall for that line. You're just trying to needle me. >>> >>> Stuck up pricks! >> >> We should end this discussion. It will never be a mainline thread. > > Consider the wound stitched up. Suture self. -- Chris F.A. Johnson <http://cfajohnson.com> Author: ======================= Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
From: otter on 5 Jul 2010 20:37 On Jul 5, 9:59 am, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 06:35:57 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > : On Jul 5, 8:21 am, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: > : > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 08:07:54 -0700, Paul Furman <pa...@-edgehill.net> wrote: > : > : Bowser wrote: > : > > : > : > First Rerun: The Pinhole Photo, Due July 18th, 2010 > : > : > This is a looser rerun of the very first mandate, which requires the > : > : > shooter to flip a map upside down, stick a pin in it, and then grab a > : > : > shot at that location on the map. However, I've expanded the mandate > : > : > to "your area," which can be town, city, state, etc. Use the whole > : > : > earth, if you dare. Drive to Yosemite, stick a pin in a map of the > : > : > park, and see if need to hike to the Diving Board. And, with the new > : > : > rules about submissions, you can use three pins for three locations > : > : > and submit three photos. > : > : > : > : Here's one way to choose your map pin spot: > : > : > : > :http://irc.peeron.com/xkcd/map/map.html?date=2010-07-04&lat=37&long=-... > : > : > : > : explanation: > : > :http://wiki.xkcd.com/geohashing/Main_Page > : > > : > I've recently been assigned to photograph all the points of interest in the > : > city for which I work. So I've been visiting a variety of locations, some of > : > them pretty obscure, that I've never seen before. For me the assignment > : > functions as the pin. ;^) > : > : That is a liberal interpretation of the mandate. > : > : Those are points of "interest", not random points. I think the point > : of the mandate is to try to take interesting pictures at uninteresting > : (random) locations. > > A few observations on that: > > - Some of those "points of interest" are not, in themselves, particularly > interesting. The challenge is to go there and find a shot that makes the site > as interesting as it can be. Whether the site was chosen at random or by some > other method that's effectively beyond the photographer's control is not that > relevant, arguably. > > - By their nature, SI mandates favor those in the group who are retired or > otherwise blessed with a lot of free time over those of us who are not. In my > case it's often find a way to incorporate the mandate into my normal > activities or sit this month out. And I have sat out several mandates because > I simply didn't have the time to get involved in a type of photography that I > normally don't do. > > - An overly narrow interpretation of the mandate lessens participation and > reduces everyne's enjoyment of the process. I'd claim that the recent > Wallpaper mandate is a case in point. While some very nice pictures were > submitted, participation was much lower than I would have anticipated, with > several highly competent regulars absent. I suspect that two factors were > primarily to blame: (1) The required aspect ratio accommodated a screen shape > that many of us rarely see, forcing us to omit or modify pictures that we were > actually using as wallpapers; and (2) Several people had weighed in with their > idiosyncratic opinions on what constituted a good (or even acceptable) > wallpaper, effectively narrowing the mandate and practically assuring that > some entries would be dismissed or ridiculed for not meeting those criteria. > > The Shoot-In's strength is its inclusiveness, and the point of a mandate > shouldn't be to exclude those who have trouble meeting it. Rather it should be > to challenge participants to take a broader view of their photographic > horizons and to use the mandate to see their work in a different light. I > think Bowser understands that and usually allows a broad interpretation of the > mandates he issues. I believe the only time I've ever seen him reject a > picture was when it was too big. > > Bob I don't mean to be judgemental, but do you guys golf or fish? :-) Since it is not any kind of real competition, I won't raise any more stink. But maybe people should indicate how closely they followed the rules when they submit. As for someone saying the pin would have put them in a bad neighborhood, hey at least there might have been something interesting to shoot there. Better than the housing development or empty field that I ended up with. But maybe I should just keep sticking more pins.
From: Robert Coe on 5 Jul 2010 21:42 On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 17:37:52 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighorn_bill(a)hotmail.com> wrote: : I don't mean to be judgemental, but do you guys golf or fish? :-) How would a serious photographer possibly have time to golf or fish? :^| : Since it is not any kind of real competition, I won't raise any more : stink. But maybe people should indicate how closely they followed the : rules when they submit. : : As for someone saying the pin would have put them in a bad : neighborhood, hey at least there might have been something interesting : to shoot there. Better than the housing development or empty field : that I ended up with. But maybe I should just keep sticking more : pins. In the empty field, get out your macro lens and shoot weeds. No, I'm serious. The Boston Globe did an article a few weeks ago on how biologists are starting to take an entirely different view of weeds, even some previously considered invasive, seeing them now as useful contributors to the ecology of a city. This may be your chance to be in the forefront of a new trend! ;^) Bob
From: tony cooper on 5 Jul 2010 22:09 On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 17:37:52 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighorn_bill(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 5, 9:59�am, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: >> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 06:35:57 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> : On Jul 5, 8:21�am, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: >> : > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 08:07:54 -0700, Paul Furman <pa...@-edgehill.net> wrote: >> : > : Bowser wrote: >> : > >> : > : > First Rerun: The Pinhole Photo, Due July 18th, 2010 >> : > : > This is a looser rerun of the very first mandate, which requires the >> : > : > shooter to flip a map upside down, stick a pin in it, and then grab a >> : > : > shot at that location on the map. However, I've expanded the mandate >> : > : > to "your area," which can be town, city, state, etc. Use the whole >> : > : > earth, if you dare. Drive to Yosemite, stick a pin in a map of the >> : > : > park, and see if need to hike to the Diving Board. And, with the new >> : > : > rules about submissions, you can use three pins for three locations >> : > : > and submit three photos. >> : > : >> : > : Here's one way to choose your map pin spot: >> : > : >> : > :http://irc.peeron.com/xkcd/map/map.html?date=2010-07-04&lat=37&long=-... >> : > : >> : > : explanation: >> : > :http://wiki.xkcd.com/geohashing/Main_Page >> : > >> : > I've recently been assigned to photograph all the points of interest in the >> : > city for which I work. So I've been visiting a variety of locations, some of >> : > them pretty obscure, that I've never seen before. For me the assignment >> : > functions as the pin. �;^) >> : >> : That is a liberal interpretation of the mandate. >> : >> : Those are points of "interest", not random points. �I think the point >> : of the mandate is to try to take interesting pictures at uninteresting >> : (random) locations. >> >> A few observations on that: >> >> - �Some of those "points of interest" are not, in themselves, particularly >> interesting. The challenge is to go there and find a shot that makes the site >> as interesting as it can be. Whether the site was chosen at random or by some >> other method that's effectively beyond the photographer's control is not that >> relevant, arguably. >> >> - �By their nature, SI mandates favor those in the group who are retired or >> otherwise blessed with a lot of free time over those of us who are not. In my >> case it's often find a way to incorporate the mandate into my normal >> activities or sit this month out. And I have sat out several mandates because >> I simply didn't have the time to get involved in a type of photography that I >> normally don't do. >> >> - �An overly narrow interpretation of the mandate lessens participation and >> reduces everyne's enjoyment of the process. I'd claim that the recent >> Wallpaper mandate is a case in point. While some very nice pictures were >> submitted, participation was much lower than I would have anticipated, with >> several highly competent regulars absent. I suspect that two factors were >> primarily to blame: (1) The required aspect ratio accommodated a screen shape >> that many of us rarely see, forcing us to omit or modify pictures that we were >> actually using as wallpapers; and (2) Several people had weighed in with their >> idiosyncratic opinions on what constituted a good (or even acceptable) >> wallpaper, effectively narrowing the mandate and practically assuring that >> some entries would be dismissed or ridiculed for not meeting those criteria. >> >> The Shoot-In's strength is its inclusiveness, and the point of a mandate >> shouldn't be to exclude those who have trouble meeting it. Rather it should be >> to challenge participants to take a broader view of their photographic >> horizons and to use the mandate to see their work in a different light. I >> think Bowser understands that and usually allows a broad interpretation of the >> mandates he issues. I believe the only time I've ever seen him reject a >> picture was when it was too big. >> >> Bob > >I don't mean to be judgemental, but do you guys golf or fish? :-) > >Since it is not any kind of real competition, I won't raise any more >stink. But maybe people should indicate how closely they followed the >rules when they submit. If you follow the comments after the Shoot-In is made available, many people provide information about how they got the shot. > >As for someone saying the pin would have put them in a bad >neighborhood, hey at least there might have been something interesting >to shoot there. Better than the housing development or empty field >that I ended up with. But maybe I should just keep sticking more >pins. I made that comment. Most of what I shoot is candid "street" photography. I do a lot of shooting in not-so-nice neighborhoods. However, there are neighborhoods where I'm not welcome. I know these neighborhoods, and I know when not to be intrusive and when not to go into an area where there might be trouble. I can get away with taking candids in some situations, but it's not a good thing to walk into a project and start snapping photos. The more people around, the more likely it is that someone will object. When one person objects, the crowd follows. This was taken not far from the pin, but in an area not so crowded. I took prints of this picture to the two players a few days later, and several other people wanted their photo taken. I'm now welcome in this area. http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Sports/sports/Sports-Checkers-TonyCooper/717655592_edxmV-XL.jpg -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on 5 Jul 2010 22:12
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:42:51 -0400, Robert Coe <bob(a)1776.COM> wrote: >On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 17:37:52 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighorn_bill(a)hotmail.com> >wrote: >: I don't mean to be judgemental, but do you guys golf or fish? :-) > >How would a serious photographer possibly have time to golf or fish? :^| I live on a golf course and my house faces a tee box. I've never photographed a golfer even though I could sit in my front yard and do it all day. Too easy. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |