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From: Peter on 6 Jul 2010 20:21 "otter" <bighorn_bill(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:a1ab48c8-3f16-4623-8311-5bba32d6ea39(a)5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... On Jul 5, 8:42 pm, Robert Coe <b...(a)1776.COM> wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 17:37:52 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > : I don't mean to be judgemental, but do you guys golf or fish? :-) > > How would a serious photographer possibly have time to golf or fish? :^| > > : Since it is not any kind of real competition, I won't raise any more > : stink. But maybe people should indicate how closely they followed the > : rules when they submit. > : > : As for someone saying the pin would have put them in a bad > : neighborhood, hey at least there might have been something interesting > : to shoot there. Better than the housing development or empty field > : that I ended up with. But maybe I should just keep sticking more > : pins. > > In the empty field, get out your macro lens and shoot weeds. No, I'm > serious. > The Boston Globe did an article a few weeks ago on how biologists are > starting > to take an entirely different view of weeds, even some previously > considered > invasive, seeing them now as useful contributors to the ecology of a city. > This may be your chance to be in the forefront of a new trend! ;^) The empty lot does have the most potential. I don't have a macro lens, but maybe I'll take one of my dogs out there and photograph it. You don't need a macro lens. Most P&S cameras have a close focus mode. If you use a DSLR, try an extension tube to allow closer focusing. -- Peter
From: Robert Coe on 7 Jul 2010 20:21 On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:53:48 -0500, Bill T. <billt(a)unknown.net> wrote: : On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 06:19:22 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighorn_bill(a)hotmail.com> : wrote: : : >On Jul 6, 7:31�am, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: : >> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:47:13 -0700 (PDT), otter : >> : >> : >> : >> : >> : >> <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: : >> >On Jul 6, 12:46�am, Chris Malcolm <c...(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote: : >> >> In rec.photo.digital otter <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: : >> : >> >> > Those are points of "interest", not random points. �I think the point : >> >> > of the mandate is to try to take interesting pictures at uninteresting : >> >> > (random) locations. : >> : >> >> If the locations are truly random then some of them will be : >> >> interesting by lucky accident. Which would seem to be unfair to : >> >> unlucky photographers. : >> : >> >So, anything goes? : >> : >> >I have some interesting pictures (at least I think so) that I took : >> >over the weekend that were within 10 miles of my pin holes. �Can I use : >> >those? : >> : >> It's OK with me. �If you are comfortable with it, then I'm not going : >> to object. � A ten mile radius is perfectly acceptable to me if it : >> takes a ten mile radius for you to find an interesting subject. � : >> : >> What you have to decide is not what the "official" radius of the zone : >> is, but how challenged you want to be. � : > : >Nah, I'll try to get something at the locations. After all, that was : >the challenge. : : I don't understand all this whining. When I am teaching an apprentice I : give them a little contest and exercise. Using this simple challenge : several times during their learning experience to see how they are : progressing. I will point out (for example) that tree, that rock, that : fence-post, that weed. Then say, "Okay, you and I both have 5 minutes to : find a printable image somewhere within those boundaries. GO!" : : It's never a challenge to find a subject worth printing. It's just a : challenge to see if you can find something better than the other guy. When : I can be outdone by my apprentice then I know I've taught well. It pisses : me off to no end when outdone by them, but also proud of and pleased they : are now doing so well--they finally "get it!" In a similar vein, I believe that the way to teach cropping is to assign the student to find the best picture possible in every image (s)he shoots. Once you've learned to make a bad picture mediocre, it's a lot easier to make a good picture better. Bob
From: Robert Coe on 7 Jul 2010 20:45 On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:36:13 -0700, NGBarfart <ngbarfart(a)ngflatulence.net> wrote: : In article <4o173618tt1slnort9vqevug0lr4kdg4td(a)4ax.com>, : Bill T. <billt(a)unknown.net> wrote: : : > On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 06:19:22 -0700 (PDT), otter <bighorn_bill(a)hotmail.com> : > wrote: : > : > >On Jul 6, 7:31�am, tony cooper <tony_cooper...(a)earthlink.net> wrote: : > >> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 23:47:13 -0700 (PDT), otter : > >> : > >> : > >> : > >> : > >> : > >> <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: : > >> >On Jul 6, 12:46�am, Chris Malcolm <c...(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote: : > >> >> In rec.photo.digital otter <bighorn_b...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: : > >> : > >> >> > Those are points of "interest", not random points. �I think the point : > >> >> > of the mandate is to try to take interesting pictures at uninteresting : > >> >> > (random) locations. : > >> : > >> >> If the locations are truly random then some of them will be : > >> >> interesting by lucky accident. Which would seem to be unfair to : > >> >> unlucky photographers. : > >> : > >> >So, anything goes? : > >> : > >> >I have some interesting pictures (at least I think so) that I took : > >> >over the weekend that were within 10 miles of my pin holes. �Can I use : > >> >those? : > >> : > >> It's OK with me. �If you are comfortable with it, then I'm not going : > >> to object. � A ten mile radius is perfectly acceptable to me if it : > >> takes a ten mile radius for you to find an interesting subject. � : > >> : > >> What you have to decide is not what the "official" radius of the zone : > >> is, but how challenged you want to be. � : > > : > >Nah, I'll try to get something at the locations. After all, that was : > >the challenge. : > : > I don't understand all this whining. When I am teaching an apprentice I : > giv..... : : You teaching! You with an apprentice! : This is all very funny. The poor guy must be quite star struck once he : leaves your shadow. Think of it this way, Clyde: It's like when your headshrinker brings in a newly minted psychiatric resident to observe your lunatic gibberings. All kidding aside, what might give me nightmares, if my kids weren't already grown, is the thought of what it must be like to be your parents. And if I'm brutally honest, I guess it's what makes the best case for ignoring you, rather than ridiculing or arguing with you. If, as is certainly possible, your parents read what you send and receive, it must be painful for them to see what we say about you, as objectively justified as it may be. Bob
From: MothboyHunter on 7 Jul 2010 22:04 In article <p06a36hr1orbsumollgtvir7pg2lo7ger2(a)4ax.com>, Robert Coe <bob(a)1776.COM> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:53:48 -0500, Bill T. <billt(a)unknown.net> wrote: > : > : I don't understand all this whining. When I am teaching an apprentice I > : give them a little contest and exercise. Using this simple challenge > : several times during their learning experience to see how they are > : progressing. I will point out (for example) that tree, that rock, that > : fence-post, that weed. Then say, "Okay, you and I both have 5 minutes to > : find a printable image somewhere within those boundaries. GO!" > : > : It's never a challenge to find a subject worth printing. It's just a > : challenge to see if you can find something better than the other guy. When > : I can be outdone by my apprentice then I know I've taught well. It pisses > : me off to no end when outdone by them, but also proud of and pleased they > : are now doing so well--they finally "get it!" > > In a similar vein, I believe that the way to teach cropping is to assign the > student to find the best picture possible in every image (s)he shoots. Once > you've learned to make a bad picture mediocre, it's a lot easier to make a > good picture better. > > Bob Bob, you did understand that "Bill T." is none other than yet another sock of the resident P&S troll, didn't you? He is posing as the professor of all that is photography, and he is not worth wasting your time on. The likelihood that he has ever had an "apprentice" of any type is slim to nothing. As far as him being any kind of educator, perish the thought. -- Just another P&S troll hunter.
From: Bill T. on 7 Jul 2010 22:31
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 19:04:57 -0700, MothboyHunter <mothboyhunter(a)mothboyhunter.org> wrote: >In article <p06a36hr1orbsumollgtvir7pg2lo7ger2(a)4ax.com>, > Robert Coe <bob(a)1776.COM> wrote: > >> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:53:48 -0500, Bill T. <billt(a)unknown.net> wrote: > > >> : >> : I don't understand all this whining. When I am teaching an apprentice I >> : give them a little contest and exercise. Using this simple challenge >> : several times during their learning experience to see how they are >> : progressing. I will point out (for example) that tree, that rock, that >> : fence-post, that weed. Then say, "Okay, you and I both have 5 minutes to >> : find a printable image somewhere within those boundaries. GO!" >> : >> : It's never a challenge to find a subject worth printing. It's just a >> : challenge to see if you can find something better than the other guy. When >> : I can be outdone by my apprentice then I know I've taught well. It pisses >> : me off to no end when outdone by them, but also proud of and pleased they >> : are now doing so well--they finally "get it!" >> >> In a similar vein, I believe that the way to teach cropping is to assign the >> student to find the best picture possible in every image (s)he shoots. Once >> you've learned to make a bad picture mediocre, it's a lot easier to make a >> good picture better. >> >> Bob > >Bob, you did understand that "Bill T." is none other than yet another >sock of the resident P&S troll, didn't you? You act as if that somehow discounts what I say. Troll much? LOL!!!!!!!! |