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From: Sue Morton on 6 Apr 2010 09:56 Late to the party, sorry if I missed the answers to these questions: Peter are you runing XP, Vista, or Win7? 32-bit or 64-bit? service packs? etc. Also, are those WD's, SATA drives? Is your BIOS set to use them as SATA or IDE? If your I/O is as SATA devices, look for jumpers on those drives that hold them to SATA I specs and remove the jumpers if so. Not likely to be the issue for your pops/crackles, but will help with overall performance if they're being held back. Lots of drives are still being shipped jumpered to SATA I. -- Sue Morton "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message news:hpep1l$mle$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > 1000us is way high > ... and 40 processes ... that's reduculous sloppy for any home built > XP machine ... even if it's an internet box. > Just my opinion :-) > > My weakest audio PC: ( an other os partition on this machine ) > ... no more than 12us on DPC latency checker and 17 processes running. > It's an AMD 3000+ Single core Barton core, with 2GB of ram running XP > SP-1. > ABIT NF7-s mother board. > I never get any audio glitches that can't be addressed by just upping > my latency slider > or freezing tracks. > > Generally I can run the SP-1 OS of this pc at 1.5ms latency when > cutting tracks > and have finished projects with 80+ audio tracks, mixing at about 11 > oe 12MS. > > ===================== > It's a tripple boot machine. > On "this" OS partition ( same machine ) as I write 26 processes > running > on XP SP-3 and 49us max. Over here my audio is only hobby level. > Sure, I can have email open and record a few guitar tracks, but I'd > never attempt anything > serious. > > If I had your problem I'd: > Reinstall the OS and do a bare bones clean install ( no windows > updates and earliest > SP you can use.) No AV nothing internet oriented and no browser newer > than IE6. ... just audio software. > Nothing but bare bones and audio software. Nothing but bare bones and > audio software. > > GO into the bios and disable anything not needed for audio including > any on board audio, > wireless, ports etc. Firewire ... all OFF in the bios. > Then retest. > If your DPC is still up near 1000 then you've got something (hardware) > begging for too much attention. > > Just my opinion. > > Check with the pros over at the real forum. > Jim Roseberry and Scott from ADK. > > SK > > > > > > > "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:fZzun.1024$Z6.520(a)edtnps82... >> Quite a few actually. 40, to be exact, but they aren't using hardly >> any memory or CPU. I hear other talking about doing audio while >> emailing, browsing and running video, all the while with anti virus >> going. I would like to see how many proccesses are going on in those >> systems. >> >> I D/Led the checker and found that I had no more than 1000us latency. >> >> >> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >> news:hpe7d4$s8m$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> How many processes running in the background? >>> >>> Also run DPC checker >>> http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml >>> ... and report the findings. >>> >>> sk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>> news:inwun.911$z%6.769(a)edtnps83... >>>> So I took the plunge and bought a new system from Mwave. >>>> >>>> Basic Ark case and P/S >>>> Gigabyte GA-P55-USB motherboard >>>> Intel i5 750 chip >>>> 2x2gig Kingston DDR3 1600 ram >>>> (2) WD 750 gig caviar black drives >>>> GForce 220 1 gig video card (Msi) >>>> 22" Hannspree monitor >>>> LG DVD RW drive >>>> >>>> I got everything up and running alright. I'm using winxp sp3 and I >>>> am using >>>> a M-Audio audiophile 2496 card. I also have a Delta 1010 I plan on >>>> installing as well. >>>> >>>> With all this new speed and power I am still getting pops in my >>>> audio using >>>> reaper. So I viewed my IRQ table in control panel and found that >>>> the 2496 >>>> card was sharing with all kinds of things. This MB has 3 pci slots >>>> and no >>>> matter which one I use it only gives me choices of either IRQ 16, >>>> 17 or 18 >>>> and all of these have multiple things on them. I have attached a >>>> pic showing >>>> the delta card currently on IRQ16 (3rd Pci slot). (Actually, this >>>> post wouldn't allow me to attach a pic) >>>> >>>> Of the research I have done so far, it doesn't seem like I can even >>>> force an >>>> IRQ in the BIOS because win xp will just over look it and load it >>>> where it >>>> wants to using ACPI. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know a solution or workaround for this problem. I feel >>>> like I >>>> just wasted a lot of money for nothin. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Pete >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: Peter Roussy on 6 Apr 2010 12:04 Hi Sue Running win xp sp3 32 bit. Reaper 32, 16bit, 44,100hz. The drives are WD7501AALS Black caviar 750 GB,32megs cache. I'm using the SATA cables that came with the MB and the HD say right on them that "Master/Slave jumper not reqired for SATA". Although the documentation says that as "OPT1", if you jumper pins 5 & 6, 1.5 Gb/s data transfer speed activated. I have not done that, I guess I could try it. I did format the second audio drive with larger (32k) clusters. But, ya, I don't think thats the problem. Peter "Sue Morton" <867-5309(a)domain.invalid> wrote in message news:hpfeia$qcj$1(a)appyface.eternal-september.org... > Late to the party, sorry if I missed the answers to these questions: Peter > are you runing XP, Vista, or Win7? 32-bit or 64-bit? service packs? > etc. > > Also, are those WD's, SATA drives? Is your BIOS set to use them as SATA > or IDE? If your I/O is as SATA devices, look for jumpers on those drives > that hold them to SATA I specs and remove the jumpers if so. Not likely > to be the issue for your pops/crackles, but will help with overall > performance if they're being held back. Lots of drives are still being > shipped jumpered to SATA I. > -- > Sue Morton > > "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message > news:hpep1l$mle$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> 1000us is way high >> ... and 40 processes ... that's reduculous sloppy for any home built XP >> machine ... even if it's an internet box. >> Just my opinion :-) >> >> My weakest audio PC: ( an other os partition on this machine ) >> ... no more than 12us on DPC latency checker and 17 processes running. >> It's an AMD 3000+ Single core Barton core, with 2GB of ram running XP >> SP-1. >> ABIT NF7-s mother board. >> I never get any audio glitches that can't be addressed by just upping my >> latency slider >> or freezing tracks. >> >> Generally I can run the SP-1 OS of this pc at 1.5ms latency when cutting >> tracks >> and have finished projects with 80+ audio tracks, mixing at about 11 oe >> 12MS. >> >> ===================== >> It's a tripple boot machine. >> On "this" OS partition ( same machine ) as I write 26 processes running >> on XP SP-3 and 49us max. Over here my audio is only hobby level. >> Sure, I can have email open and record a few guitar tracks, but I'd never >> attempt anything >> serious. >> >> If I had your problem I'd: >> Reinstall the OS and do a bare bones clean install ( no windows updates >> and earliest >> SP you can use.) No AV nothing internet oriented and no browser newer >> than IE6. ... just audio software. >> Nothing but bare bones and audio software. Nothing but bare bones and >> audio software. >> >> GO into the bios and disable anything not needed for audio including any >> on board audio, >> wireless, ports etc. Firewire ... all OFF in the bios. >> Then retest. >> If your DPC is still up near 1000 then you've got something (hardware) >> begging for too much attention. >> >> Just my opinion. >> >> Check with the pros over at the real forum. >> Jim Roseberry and Scott from ADK. >> >> SK >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >> news:fZzun.1024$Z6.520(a)edtnps82... >>> Quite a few actually. 40, to be exact, but they aren't using hardly any >>> memory or CPU. I hear other talking about doing audio while emailing, >>> browsing and running video, all the while with anti virus going. I would >>> like to see how many proccesses are going on in those systems. >>> >>> I D/Led the checker and found that I had no more than 1000us latency. >>> >>> >>> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >>> news:hpe7d4$s8m$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> How many processes running in the background? >>>> >>>> Also run DPC checker >>>> http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml >>>> ... and report the findings. >>>> >>>> sk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>>> news:inwun.911$z%6.769(a)edtnps83... >>>>> So I took the plunge and bought a new system from Mwave. >>>>> >>>>> Basic Ark case and P/S >>>>> Gigabyte GA-P55-USB motherboard >>>>> Intel i5 750 chip >>>>> 2x2gig Kingston DDR3 1600 ram >>>>> (2) WD 750 gig caviar black drives >>>>> GForce 220 1 gig video card (Msi) >>>>> 22" Hannspree monitor >>>>> LG DVD RW drive >>>>> >>>>> I got everything up and running alright. I'm using winxp sp3 and I am >>>>> using >>>>> a M-Audio audiophile 2496 card. I also have a Delta 1010 I plan on >>>>> installing as well. >>>>> >>>>> With all this new speed and power I am still getting pops in my audio >>>>> using >>>>> reaper. So I viewed my IRQ table in control panel and found that the >>>>> 2496 >>>>> card was sharing with all kinds of things. This MB has 3 pci slots and >>>>> no >>>>> matter which one I use it only gives me choices of either IRQ 16, 17 >>>>> or 18 >>>>> and all of these have multiple things on them. I have attached a pic >>>>> showing >>>>> the delta card currently on IRQ16 (3rd Pci slot). (Actually, this post >>>>> wouldn't allow me to attach a pic) >>>>> >>>>> Of the research I have done so far, it doesn't seem like I can even >>>>> force an >>>>> IRQ in the BIOS because win xp will just over look it and load it >>>>> where it >>>>> wants to using ACPI. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know a solution or workaround for this problem. I feel >>>>> like I >>>>> just wasted a lot of money for nothin. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Pete >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: Peter Roussy on 6 Apr 2010 12:18 I think that's what I will have to do. This morning I took the AP2496 card out and put in the Delta1010 to see if there was a difference. It did exactly the same thing. If I move the latency to 128 it seems to cure it but I don't think I should have to. This machine should chew up what I am doing. Even running a single synth will cause it to pop with the power meters in Reaper showing 1/2 % CPU and ram or disc use. So I'm thinking it must be those backgroud services that are causing this to happen. I will have to start cleaning it up. Peter "Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:Xns9D5257845449EBrownShoesDontMakeIt(a)81.169.183.62... > The killer robot "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> grabbed the controls > of the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > >> I'm running reaper in 16 bit with asio 64 samples latency as well and >> I didn't tweak reaper at all. I'm also using the same AP2496 driver as >> you. I'm not loading this thing up at all but it still pops and >> clicks. I had this same problem in previous systems until I could get >> the card on it's own IRQ. The thing I notice about this new system is >> that there are a cajillion things using up all the IRQ's and yet some >> numbers are not even listed (like 2,4,5,7,10,11,12,14,15 & 20). I >> tried to attach a picture of this but OE won't let me post an >> attachement to this group and I can't seem to imbed it in this >> message. I'm wondering what your IRQ table looks like? Is your AP2496 >> sharing with anything? > > My AP2496 is on an IRQ that is shared. I'm not at my DAW right now, but > I'll check it when I get home. If I were you, I'd try disabling *every* > on > board peripheral, like USB, sound, parallel and serial ports. Then boot > up, at which point both the BIOS and Windows will re-shuffle the deck of > who gets what IRQ. If that gets rid of the pops, then I'd one at a time, > re-enable the on board stuff. > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email > ________ __ > / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ > / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ > / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / > \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms
From: Peter Roussy on 6 Apr 2010 12:48 Yes, I will have to start cleaning up. I don't thing I will reload the operating system but I will have to shut down these extra services. Where is the "real" forum? Peter "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message news:hpep1l$mle$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > 1000us is way high > ... and 40 processes ... that's reduculous sloppy for any home built XP > machine ... even if it's an internet box. > Just my opinion :-) > > My weakest audio PC: ( an other os partition on this machine ) > ... no more than 12us on DPC latency checker and 17 processes running. > It's an AMD 3000+ Single core Barton core, with 2GB of ram running XP > SP-1. > ABIT NF7-s mother board. > I never get any audio glitches that can't be addressed by just upping my > latency slider > or freezing tracks. > > Generally I can run the SP-1 OS of this pc at 1.5ms latency when cutting > tracks > and have finished projects with 80+ audio tracks, mixing at about 11 oe > 12MS. > > ===================== > It's a tripple boot machine. > On "this" OS partition ( same machine ) as I write 26 processes running > on XP SP-3 and 49us max. Over here my audio is only hobby level. > Sure, I can have email open and record a few guitar tracks, but I'd never > attempt anything > serious. > > If I had your problem I'd: > Reinstall the OS and do a bare bones clean install ( no windows updates > and earliest > SP you can use.) No AV nothing internet oriented and no browser newer than > IE6. ... just audio software. > Nothing but bare bones and audio software. Nothing but bare bones and > audio software. > > GO into the bios and disable anything not needed for audio including any > on board audio, > wireless, ports etc. Firewire ... all OFF in the bios. > Then retest. > If your DPC is still up near 1000 then you've got something (hardware) > begging for too much attention. > > Just my opinion. > > Check with the pros over at the real forum. > Jim Roseberry and Scott from ADK. > > SK > > > > > > > "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message > news:fZzun.1024$Z6.520(a)edtnps82... >> Quite a few actually. 40, to be exact, but they aren't using hardly any >> memory or CPU. I hear other talking about doing audio while emailing, >> browsing and running video, all the while with anti virus going. I would >> like to see how many proccesses are going on in those systems. >> >> I D/Led the checker and found that I had no more than 1000us latency. >> >> >> "Steve_Karl" <nospam(a)noway.com> wrote in message >> news:hpe7d4$s8m$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> How many processes running in the background? >>> >>> Also run DPC checker >>> http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml >>> ... and report the findings. >>> >>> sk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> wrote in message >>> news:inwun.911$z%6.769(a)edtnps83... >>>> So I took the plunge and bought a new system from Mwave. >>>> >>>> Basic Ark case and P/S >>>> Gigabyte GA-P55-USB motherboard >>>> Intel i5 750 chip >>>> 2x2gig Kingston DDR3 1600 ram >>>> (2) WD 750 gig caviar black drives >>>> GForce 220 1 gig video card (Msi) >>>> 22" Hannspree monitor >>>> LG DVD RW drive >>>> >>>> I got everything up and running alright. I'm using winxp sp3 and I am >>>> using >>>> a M-Audio audiophile 2496 card. I also have a Delta 1010 I plan on >>>> installing as well. >>>> >>>> With all this new speed and power I am still getting pops in my audio >>>> using >>>> reaper. So I viewed my IRQ table in control panel and found that the >>>> 2496 >>>> card was sharing with all kinds of things. This MB has 3 pci slots and >>>> no >>>> matter which one I use it only gives me choices of either IRQ 16, 17 or >>>> 18 >>>> and all of these have multiple things on them. I have attached a pic >>>> showing >>>> the delta card currently on IRQ16 (3rd Pci slot). (Actually, this post >>>> wouldn't allow me to attach a pic) >>>> >>>> Of the research I have done so far, it doesn't seem like I can even >>>> force an >>>> IRQ in the BIOS because win xp will just over look it and load it where >>>> it >>>> wants to using ACPI. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know a solution or workaround for this problem. I feel like >>>> I >>>> just wasted a lot of money for nothin. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Pete >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: Peter Roussy on 6 Apr 2010 13:22
Oh My God! "Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:Xns9D527D22274A6BrownShoesDontMakeIt(a)188.40.43.245... > The killer robot "Peter Roussy" <rugzy(a)telus.net> grabbed the controls of > the spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons... > >> Where is the "real" forum? > > He's referring to Cake's official web forum, found here. > > http://forum.cakewalk.com/tt.aspx?forumid=5 > > If you were to go over there, be aware that if you mention "REAPER", > you will instantly be attacked by a host of hardcore Sonar fanbois. > > -- > Remove YourHeadFromYourAss to Reply by email > ________ __ > / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / /_ ____ > / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ \ > / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ / > \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_.___/\____/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo > Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits > Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms |