From: Gared Haus on 7 Oct 2009 15:38 On 2009-10-07 20:07:23 +0100, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> said: > On 2009-10-07 19:48:31 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said: > >> Gared Haus <gared(a)haus.com> wrote: >> >>> So I have been using my Netgear DG834G for the last 5 years and I think >>> it's starting to give up on me so I have decided to get something new. >>> I am unsure what works well so I am here asking for advice. >> >> If you want it to be able to handle ADSL2+ (which is well worth having >> especially for its higher upload speed) the best and most stable routers >> seem to be the Thomsons. Others say thay are ADSL2+ capable, but seem >> much more susceptible to interference which can be a real problem with >> 2+. Just because it says on the box that a router is ADSL2+ capable, >> doesn't mean that it really is. > > Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports > "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following: > > Billion BiPAC 5200 (T14.F7_3.0), 7300GX > D-Link DSL-G604T > Draytech Vigor 2820n > Linksys AM200 > Zyxel 660H (D1), 669 (D1), 660HW (D1), 660HW (T1), 660R (D1) > Thomson 516v6/546v6, 585v7, 585n, 587n, 782, 784, 787, 787n, 787N (all BCM6338) > > (text in brackets indicates chipset) > > Personally I like the Linksys boxes that allow third-party firmware. A > WRT160NL model came out recently. I'm not sure which of these have ADSL > modems though. Thanks to everyone for their helpful replies. I am particularly interested in your post, Chris, where you mention the Draytech Vigor 2820n. I had a look at this and it seems very good. Do you have any idea of how well this works with on OS X? I am running OS 10.4.11 and I assume there would be no issues but you never know. Also, excuse my ignorance, but the Draytech Vigor 2820n is a combined modem router, right? Gared
From: Peter Ceresole on 7 Oct 2009 15:43 Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports > "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following: Demon recommend (and supply) the Thomsons. From posts in demon.service, they seem to work well for everybody, which isn't true of any of the others. Oddly, ny Netgear DG834N, which isn't on that list, works quite well but throws occasional wobblies. I think I shall go for one of the Thomsons from Demon. -- Peter
From: Chris Ridd on 7 Oct 2009 15:49 On 2009-10-07 20:43:39 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said: > Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports >> "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following: > > Demon recommend (and supply) the Thomsons. From posts in demon.service, > they seem to work well for everybody, which isn't true of any of the > others. Nildram offer to supply one of the Thomson models too. -- Chris
From: Ben Shimmin on 7 Oct 2009 15:59 Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com>: > On 2009-10-07 20:43:39 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said: >> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: >>> Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports >>> "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following: >> >> Demon recommend (and supply) the Thomsons. From posts in demon.service, >> they seem to work well for everybody, which isn't true of any of the >> others. > > Nildram offer to supply one of the Thomson models too. I have an O2 Wireless Box III, which is an O2-branded Thomson (it actually says both O2 and Thomson on it). It's okay, but has a tendency to reset itself from time to time -- sometimes under heavy load (eg. downloading an ISO using BitTorrent whilst wirelessly streaming a video from my Mac to my PlayStation 3), sometimes not. I can't say I'm all that happy with it. b. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `...the Plain English Campaign [...] says some officials only use Latin to make themselves feel important. A Campaign spokesman said the ban might stop people confusing the Latin abbreviation e.g. with the word "egg".'
From: Chris Ridd on 7 Oct 2009 16:02 On 2009-10-07 20:38:33 +0100, Gared Haus <gared(a)haus.com> said: > On 2009-10-07 20:07:23 +0100, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> said: > >> On 2009-10-07 19:48:31 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said: >> >>> Gared Haus <gared(a)haus.com> wrote: >>> >>>> So I have been using my Netgear DG834G for the last 5 years and I think >>>> it's starting to give up on me so I have decided to get something new. >>>> I am unsure what works well so I am here asking for advice. >>> >>> If you want it to be able to handle ADSL2+ (which is well worth having >>> especially for its higher upload speed) the best and most stable routers >>> seem to be the Thomsons. Others say thay are ADSL2+ capable, but seem >>> much more susceptible to interference which can be a real problem with >>> 2+. Just because it says on the box that a router is ADSL2+ capable, >>> doesn't mean that it really is. >> >> Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports >> "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following: >> >> Billion BiPAC 5200 (T14.F7_3.0), 7300GX >> D-Link DSL-G604T >> Draytech Vigor 2820n >> Linksys AM200 >> Zyxel 660H (D1), 669 (D1), 660HW (D1), 660HW (T1), 660R (D1) >> Thomson 516v6/546v6, 585v7, 585n, 587n, 782, 784, 787, 787n, 787N (all BCM6338) >> >> (text in brackets indicates chipset) >> >> Personally I like the Linksys boxes that allow third-party firmware. A >> WRT160NL model came out recently. I'm not sure which of these have ADSL >> modems though. > > Thanks to everyone for their helpful replies. > > I am particularly interested in your post, Chris, where you mention the > Draytech Vigor 2820n. I had a look at this and it seems very good. Do > you have any idea of how well this works with on OS X? I am running OS > 10.4.11 and I assume there would be no issues but you never know. I used a different model Vigor a number of years ago, and it was OK. I think it was overpriced for what it did and when it died after a lightning storm I replaced it with a Linksys WRT54GS which is still running. The Vigor had no compatibility problems with OS X from what I recall; router upgrades could be done using tftp (which OS X has a client for). But it is Draytek, not Draytech. My mistake. > Also, excuse my ignorance, but the Draytech Vigor 2820n is a combined > modem router, right? Yes it is. They call it a "Security Firewall" so it may have lots of features you don't need. It is �167 at www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk. If you want multiple PPTP (VPN) sessions you might need to look carefully at the specs. I think Sak and Jon around here know more about Vigors than I do, so hopefully they'll jump in... -- Chris
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