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From: Gared Haus on 7 Oct 2009 16:04
On 2009-10-07 20:49:51 +0100, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> said:

> On 2009-10-07 20:43:39 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said:
>
>> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports
>>> "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following:
>>
>> Demon recommend (and supply) the Thomsons. From posts in demon.service,
>> they seem to work well for everybody, which isn't true of any of the
>> others.
>
> Nildram offer to supply one of the Thomson models too.

I just had a look on the Thomson site and the TG784 looks like it could
be good for me. Any of you folk know if it's easy enough to set up on
the Mac? I quite like how it says "Pre-configured for easy setup in
the UK with PPPoA mode of operation (BT and Kingston exchange lines)"

G

From: Chris Ridd on 7 Oct 2009 16:03
On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> said:

> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com>:
>> On 2009-10-07 20:43:39 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said:
>>> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:
>>>> Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports
>>>> "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following:
>>>
>>> Demon recommend (and supply) the Thomsons. From posts in demon.service,
>>> they seem to work well for everybody, which isn't true of any of the
>>> others.
>>
>> Nildram offer to supply one of the Thomson models too.
>
> I have an O2 Wireless Box III, which is an O2-branded Thomson (it actually
> says both O2 and Thomson on it). It's okay, but has a tendency to reset
> itself from time to time -- sometimes under heavy load (eg. downloading
> an ISO using BitTorrent whilst wirelessly streaming a video from my Mac
> to my PlayStation 3), sometimes not.

Ew, not good.

> I can't say I'm all that happy with it.

We'd definitely want something that can cope with heavy load.

--
Chris

From: Steve Firth on 7 Oct 2009 16:13
Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:

> > Also, excuse my ignorance, but the Draytech Vigor 2820n is a combined
> > modem router, right?
>
> Yes it is. They call it a "Security Firewall" so it may have lots of
> features you don't need. It is �167 at www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk.

Boggle.

I'm also bemused by your comment about price. Not cheap, true, but built
like brick outhouses and unlike Linksys and D-Link routers Draytek
products don't go all weird under load. The built in VoIP, security and
VLAN features are damned useful to those of us who want to use them.
From: Ben Shimmin on 7 Oct 2009 16:29
Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com>:
> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> said:

[...]

>> I have an O2 Wireless Box III, which is an O2-branded Thomson (it
>> actually says both O2 and Thomson on it). It's okay, but has a tendency
>> to reset itself from time to time -- sometimes under heavy load (eg.
>> downloading an ISO using BitTorrent whilst wirelessly streaming a video
>> from my Mac to my PlayStation 3), sometimes not.
>
> Ew, not good.
>
>> I can't say I'm all that happy with it.
>
> We'd definitely want something that can cope with heavy load.

It is very sporadic in its failures, though. It'll be fine for weeks and
weeks, and then fall over three times in an afternoon.

If I could be bothered, I'd replace it with a Linksys AM200 (or whatever
the newest model of basic ADSL modem Linksys do) and a Time Capsule or
Airport Extreme.

b.

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From: Chris Ridd on 7 Oct 2009 16:39
On 2009-10-07 21:13:57 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) said:

> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:
>
>>> Also, excuse my ignorance, but the Draytech Vigor 2820n is a combined
>>> modem router, right?
>>
>> Yes it is. They call it a "Security Firewall" so it may have lots of
>> features you don't need. It is �167 at www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk.
>
> Boggle.

For a home router like Gared wants, that's way too much. For an office
box - not.

> I'm also bemused by your comment about price. Not cheap, true, but built
> like brick outhouses and unlike Linksys and D-Link routers Draytek

I wasn't *that* impressed with the Vigor I got. Certainly this Linksys
has held up better using Tomato firmware. (DD-WRT is supposed to be
good too, but looked too much bother.)

> products don't go all weird under load. The built in VoIP, security and
> VLAN features are damned useful to those of us who want to use them.

Of course. Most of that isn't any use to us as our VPN is a hop past
the router, ditto firewall and so forth, and the benefit of that is
that they're on real computers with a real UI. Well OK, BSD and a shell
:-)

Do you feel the robustness is a feature of the Vigor hardware design,
or the firmware?
--
Chris

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