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From: Chris Ridd on 7 Oct 2009 16:42
On 2009-10-07 21:29:36 +0100, Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> said:

> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com>:
>> On 2009-10-07 20:59:32 +0100, Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> said:
>
> [...]
>
>>> I have an O2 Wireless Box III, which is an O2-branded Thomson (it
>>> actually says both O2 and Thomson on it). It's okay, but has a tendency
>>> to reset itself from time to time -- sometimes under heavy load (eg.
>>> downloading an ISO using BitTorrent whilst wirelessly streaming a video
>>> from my Mac to my PlayStation 3), sometimes not.
>>
>> Ew, not good.
>>
>>> I can't say I'm all that happy with it.
>>
>> We'd definitely want something that can cope with heavy load.
>
> It is very sporadic in its failures, though. It'll be fine for weeks and
> weeks, and then fall over three times in an afternoon.

Our Zyxel (an earlier rev of a model I listed, so upgrade time) has
been pretty reliable.

> If I could be bothered, I'd replace it with a Linksys AM200 (or whatever
> the newest model of basic ADSL modem Linksys do) and a Time Capsule or
> Airport Extreme.

I'd not get away with buying an Apple box for work - they are pretty
mindlessly anti-Apple. Sigh.

--
Chris

From: Gared Haus on 7 Oct 2009 17:24
On 2009-10-07 21:04:08 +0100, Gared Haus <gared(a)haus.com> said:

> On 2009-10-07 20:49:51 +0100, Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> said:
>
>> On 2009-10-07 20:43:39 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said:
>>
>>> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports
>>>> "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following:
>>>
>>> Demon recommend (and supply) the Thomsons. From posts in demon.service,
>>> they seem to work well for everybody, which isn't true of any of the
>>> others.
>>
>> Nildram offer to supply one of the Thomson models too.
>
> I just had a look on the Thomson site and the TG784 looks like it could
> be good for me. Any of you folk know if it's easy enough to set up on
> the Mac? I quite like how it says "Pre-configured for easy setup in
> the UK with PPPoA mode of operation (BT and Kingston exchange lines)"
>
> G

Gotta be honest and say that I was expecting to see a lot more Netgear
recommendations....

Looks like I'll either go for the Thomson, Draytek VIgor 2820N
(possibly) or the Netgear DGND3300!

G

From: Peter Ceresole on 7 Oct 2009 17:40
Gared Haus <gared(a)haus.com> wrote:

> Gotta be honest and say that I was expecting to see a lot more Netgear
> recommendations....

If you need ADSL2+ (which as I said is worth having) then Netgear is
almost there but not quite. And my experience is better than some others
who have had a fair bit of trouble.
--
Peter
From: Jon B on 8 Oct 2009 05:43
Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:

> On 2009-10-07 19:48:31 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said:
>
> > Gared Haus <gared(a)haus.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So I have been using my Netgear DG834G for the last 5 years and I think
> >> it's starting to give up on me so I have decided to get something new.
> >> I am unsure what works well so I am here asking for advice.
> >
> > If you want it to be able to handle ADSL2+ (which is well worth having
> > especially for its higher upload speed) the best and most stable routers
> > seem to be the Thomsons. Others say thay are ADSL2+ capable, but seem
> > much more susceptible to interference which can be a real problem with
> > 2+. Just because it says on the box that a router is ADSL2+ capable,
> > doesn't mean that it really is.
>
> Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports
> "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following:
>
> Billion BiPAC 5200 (T14.F7_3.0), 7300GX
> D-Link DSL-G604T
> Draytech Vigor 2820n
> Linksys AM200
> Zyxel 660H (D1), 669 (D1), 660HW (D1), 660HW (T1), 660R (D1)
> Thomson 516v6/546v6, 585v7, 585n, 587n, 782, 784, 787, 787n, 787N (all
> BCM6338)
>
> (text in brackets indicates chipset)
>
> Personally I like the Linksys boxes that allow third-party firmware. A
> WRT160NL model came out recently. I'm not sure which of these have ADSL
> modems though.

I had terrible reliability issues in the office with Linksys wireless
boxes unfortunately [1], so have stuck with the Buffalo APs which have
offered a good reliability/feature/bang for buck combo.

Draytek & Zyxels though, have been kit I can depend upon, though the
Zyxels didn't have the best wireless range, they'd both be my first
choices in that list. The Drayteks do tend to be pricier, but they do
offer great feature sets and a piece of cake to config.

[1] Completely unexpected of course bearing in mind their parent
company, but enough different samples/products to put me off them.
--
Jon B
Above email address IS valid.
<http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.
From: Jon B on 8 Oct 2009 05:51
Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote:

> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com>:
> > On 2009-10-07 20:43:39 +0100, peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) said:
> >> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:
> >>> Our work ISP (Nildram) recommended an ADSL 2+ modem which supports
> >>> "Annex M", which boiled down to one of the following:
> >>
> >> Demon recommend (and supply) the Thomsons. From posts in demon.service,
> >> they seem to work well for everybody, which isn't true of any of the
> >> others.
> >
> > Nildram offer to supply one of the Thomson models too.
>
> I have an O2 Wireless Box III, which is an O2-branded Thomson (it actually
> says both O2 and Thomson on it). It's okay, but has a tendency to reset
> itself from time to time -- sometimes under heavy load (eg. downloading
> an ISO using BitTorrent whilst wirelessly streaming a video from my Mac
> to my PlayStation 3), sometimes not.
>
> I can't say I'm all that happy with it.
>
They are probably fine if you've used nothing better, but if you've had
a Draytek before it you'd be disapointed. I know my dad is as he had a
Draytek 2600G but moving to Be meant having a Thomson box, he's not so
impressed with it. Wireless range isn't so good (3 story house), and it
random disconnects a few more times than the Draytek ever did.
--
Jon B
Above email address IS valid.
<http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs.
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