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From: Doc O'Leary on 21 Jun 2010 14:16 In article <drache-17186F.10163921062010(a)62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>, erilar <drache(a)chibardun.net.invalid> wrote: > In article <leoblaisdell-507AF7.17554820062010(a)News.Individual.NET>, > Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > ISPs drop rather than add NNTP - no loss of customers. > > But some of us scream loudly and vociferously at the ISP for doing it!! And the ISPs don't care, because almost everyone else thinks the web is the Internet. That's why my approach would be to offer services that exploit the strengths of Usenet in a way that is as transparent to the user as possible. Podcasting would be a great start; it is a tragedy it got popular with http: instead of using news: for distribution. -- My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, astraweb.com, and probably your server, too.
From: Calum on 21 Jun 2010 14:49 On 21/06/10 04:56, Wes Groleau wrote: > On 06-20-2010 20:55, Leonard Blaisdell wrote: >> Usenet readers don't get updated - no viable audience. > > Thunderbird is still evolving. The newsreading part really hasn't changed for years, though, other than the occasional enhancement that it picks up by default from the mail-reading part. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: Wes Groleau on 21 Jun 2010 15:53 On 06-21-2010 14:49, Calum wrote: > On 21/06/10 04:56, Wes Groleau wrote: >> On 06-20-2010 20:55, Leonard Blaisdell wrote: >>> Usenet readers don't get updated - no viable audience. >> >> Thunderbird is still evolving. > > The newsreading part really hasn't changed for years, though, other than > the occasional enhancement that it picks up by default from the > mail-reading part. There was a recent improvement in the filtering options. Which are still poor. One thing that I _wish_ would work in Usenet is the Bayesian junk mail filtering. Imagine having your reader learn what _you_ consider not worth reading and keeping it out of your way. -- Wes Groleau Gaffes Can Be Deceiving http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=610
From: Phillip Jones on 21 Jun 2010 16:21 Wes Groleau wrote: > On 06-21-2010 14:49, Calum wrote: >> On 21/06/10 04:56, Wes Groleau wrote: >>> On 06-20-2010 20:55, Leonard Blaisdell wrote: >>>> Usenet readers don't get updated - no viable audience. >>> >>> Thunderbird is still evolving. >> >> The newsreading part really hasn't changed for years, though, other than >> the occasional enhancement that it picks up by default from the >> mail-reading part. > > There was a recent improvement in the filtering options. > Which are still poor. > > One thing that I _wish_ would work in Usenet is the Bayesian junk mail > filtering. Imagine having your reader learn what _you_ consider > not worth reading and keeping it out of your way. > That's because NNTP and mail don't work the same. on an email you can filter messages that you download into various folders or in Junk Mail. IN NNTP all you can do is choose to mark items as read. AS all you receive is the headers, and the actual message reside on and stay own the NNTP server at the originating server. you read the message off the server. Most NNTP servers don't allow for message deletions or even removal of messages no long on the server. years ago they did. but no longer. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjones1(a)kimbanet.com
From: Wes Groleau on 21 Jun 2010 16:34
On 06-21-2010 16:21, Phillip Jones wrote: > Wes Groleau wrote: >> One thing that I _wish_ would work in Usenet is the Bayesian junk mail >> filtering. Imagine having your reader learn what _you_ consider >> not worth reading and keeping it out of your way. > > That's because NNTP and mail don't work the same. on an email you can > filter messages that you download into various folders or in Junk Mail. > > IN NNTP all you can do is choose to mark items as read. AS all you > receive is the headers, and the actual message reside on and stay own > the NNTP server at the originating server. you read the message off the > server. Most NNTP servers don't allow for message deletions or even > removal of messages no long on the server. years ago they did. but no I understand that, but they could (if one is willing to use the bandwidth) download messages, scan them, and then hide them. It would be so cool if I could read the helpful posts from <pick a name> and yet never see the ones where he/she is arguing with a troll. :-) -- Wes Groleau "Lewis's case for the existence of God is fallacious." "You mean like circular reasoning?" "He believes in God. Therefore, he's fallacious." |