Newton's law of gravitational attraction
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From: NoEinstein on 31 Dec 2009 19:19 On Dec 23, 9:53 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 22, 7:00 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 10:28 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Dec 22, 8:51 am, waldofj <wald...(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > No, they don't. Gammas do not carry mass away. > > > > > you're wrong on this point. Gammas definitely carry away mass. > > > > Consider when an electron and a positron annihilate, a pair of 511 Kev > > > > gammas are produced moving in opposite directions. They carry away all > > > > the mass of the two particles. They just don't carry it in the form of > > > > rest mass. > > > > Fair enough. The more correct statement is that there is no mass that > > > is associable to each photon. > > > Dear PD: NOW you are agreeing that gamma rays carry away the "mass" > > of the two particles. > > Please read what I said. There is no mass that is associable to each > photon. > > > > > As is typical for you, you are on both sides of > > the mass issue. Photons and all matter are composed of ether units I > > call IOTAs. Whether a mass is at rest or not has little or no effect > > on its massonly on the KE of that mass should such impact another > > mass. Velocity does NOT increase the mass of any object! > > NoEinstein - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - .... Please point out where I said otherwise! NE
From: Inertial on 31 Dec 2009 20:05 "NoEinstein" <noeinstein(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:14089d0c-877c-411a-836c-7a562ce33bb8(a)u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 22, 8:17 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> > Dear Inertial Fool: I said that the energy-mass is conserved; I never > claimed that mass will never change. I didn't say otherwise > Burn a lump of coal and part of > the mass converts to energy. Very very little, if any, mass does. Its a chemical reaction. The mass of solid residue from the burnt coal has less mass, but that is not the total mass of the system. > But travel at any velocity that you > choose and there will be ZERO conversion of mass to energy (outside of > the propulsion system, of course) and ZERO conversion of velocity to > mass!!!!! Noone says velocity converts to mass.
From: Inertial on 31 Dec 2009 20:06 "NoEinstein" <noeinstein(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:c56e5240-f678-40d8-bb40-c4fcb671e7da(a)j5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > On Dec 23, 9:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Dear PD the Parasite Dunce: You said: "The evidence against nonzero > mass for gamma rays is in the experimental literature." But you > haven't explained how radioactive decay can LOWER the atomic weight... Mass converts to energy > unless either or all of the gamma, beta, and alpha particles have > mass. Good reasoning will trump you references to errant science > every time! � NoEinstein � And so we trump your errant science with good reasoning .. though mostly we just laugh at it.
From: Y.Porat on 1 Jan 2010 09:06 On Nov 6 2009, 10:47 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Nov 4, 1:51 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Oct 30, 3:47 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > On Oct 27, 4:09 pm, doug <x...(a)xx.com> wrote: > > > > > Dear Dougie Boy, the leech: You have one standard, and one standard > > > > alone for what "true" science is, namely: Anything that has ever been > > > > printed in a college textbook is "...the truth, the whole truth, and > > > > nothing but the truth." > > > > No. What is verified by experiment is the truth. However, textbooks do > > > a pretty good job of summarizing what has been found that way to be > > > the truth. > > > ------------------------------ > > > it is funny as PD is talking as he was > > the priest of the Goddess of science: > > > experiments are the truth always ??? (:-) > > > PD forgot that an experiment means nothing > > unless it is INTERPRETATED !! > > That's incorrect, Porat. You've obviously not done a science > experiment. > > > here is an example > > > experiment tells us that it more difficult in order to add valicity > > No, that's not what experiment tells you. Various theories make > predictions about what will be observed numerically about the final > velocity of an object after a force has been applied. Measurement in > experiment simply tells you which of these models got the prediction ------------------- you hand waving is good as a harmful deceptive ** lie** !!! as long you dont tell us exactly **which experiments** and how they are done!! and then we will be able to reexamine them !!! i examined in past many experiments and saw clearly the mistaken interpretation of parrots TIA Y.Porat ------------------------
From: PD on 1 Jan 2010 13:09
On Dec 31 2009, 6:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Dec 23, 9:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear PD the Parasite Dunce: You said: "The evidence against nonzero > mass for gamma rays is in the experimental literature." But you > haven't explained how radioactive decay can LOWER the atomic weight... > unless either or all of the gamma, beta, and alpha particles have > mass. Good reasoning will trump you references to errant science > every time! NoEinstein If you're looking for an explanation, then let's first clear up a misconception. Mass is not a conserved quantity. There is no conservation of mass law. Therefore, if mass disappears, it does not have to be carried away by anything. This is a good example of mass converting to energy, with the result that there is less mass than before. Another example is ordinary carbon. If you add up the mass of 6 protons and 6 neutrons, you find you get a number that is different than the mass of a carbon-12 nucleus. Where did the extra mass go? It was converted to energy. There is now less mass than there was originally. > > > > > On Dec 22, 6:42 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > On Dec 21, 4:44 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Dear PD the Parasite Dunce: Acceleration to many times 'c' > > > Nothing gets accelerated to many times "c". > > > > requires > > > only that the ether that's in the path be magnetized and ripped apart > > > in front of the spaceships so that the ether passes around such. You > > > are as flat-headed as those who said that the Earth is flat. Your > > > negative personality doesn't want for there to be progress in any area > > > especially science. It is amazing how you argue with authority, but > > > without ever supporting your claims (like gamma rays having no mass) > > > with supporting proofs. > > > The evidence against nonzero mass for gamma rays is in the > > experimental literature. It's been *measured*.http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/listings/rpp2009-list-photon.pdffora list of > > references, where you can read all about those measurements. > > > > Radioactive decay LOWERS the atomic weight by > > > the release of three particles. > > > Three particles? Not in gamma decay. Perhaps you are confused. > > > > Between them, the mass gets spooned > > > away from the mother mass. > > > Not so. The mass of the products does not add up to the mass of the > > parent. Mass is not conserved. This is a *measured* fact. > > > > So, those three particles must have mass > > > themselves. Mine is proof by reasoning. > > > But your reasoning is counter to experimental *measurement*. > > Measurement is what's used in science to determine what the real facts > > are. When reasoning comes in conflict with measured facts, then it's > > the reasoning that is put in doubt, every single time. > > > > Yours is "proof" (sic) by > > > hard-headed lies. > > > Sorry, but not the case. Reality is determined by measurement. > > Measurements are not lies. > > > > You figure as long as you keep talking there will > > > always be a fool or two to believe you. You were born a fool, and you > > > will die a fool. I will cry not. NoEinstein - Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - |